Re: This vs Ferrari F50

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by DodgeFreak, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. C'mon people cant we have peace around here for a while. Dodge is owned by mercedes. Since dodge is apart of crystler. THis make the venom 800tt alot better than before. This is the reason for why mercedes cars were doing a little bad for a while. Because they were focesing on making Crystler and Dodge better first. But still the F50 would kick the Vipers ass any day. Its just you viper fans dont apressiate cars with class enough. Plus the new mercedes SRL is coming out. And MClaren is coming out with their own carbon fiber SRL that will cause the vipet to breath in SRL exuast as it is trailing behind it.

    WOOT WOOT
     
  2. "But still the F50 would kick the Vipers ass any day"

    HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO POST THIS???????

    800TT
    0-60 mph: 2.4 sec
    0-100 mph: 5.5 sec
    Quarter Mile: 9.99 sec @ 138.95 mph
    Skidpad: 1.06g
    Top Speed: 230 mph
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 110 ft
    Slalom Speed: 75.1 mph

    800TT(street tires):
    0-60: 3.21
    1/4 mile: 10.71 @ 137.6 mph

    F50 GT
    0-60 mph: 2.9 sec
    0-100 mph: 6.7 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.2 sec @ 129 mph
    Top Speed: 236 mph
    Skidpad: 1.25g

    TRACK = F50
    DRAG RACE = 800TT

    I'll post that again:

    TRACK = F50
    DRAG RACE = 800TT

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  3. What a surprise! Sombody is comparing forced induction to a naturally aspired engine again. Obviously the Viper would win 1/4 mile because of it's twin turbos. But the Ferrari would win without a question with a twin turbo setup. I still think the F-50 would have better handling since Ferrari has better racing platforms than most American domestic cars. I mean co'mon it's like comparing apples to oranges.
    I would also take the F-50 over any high preformance American car.
     
  4. apples and oranges??
    it's comparing a v12 to a v10tt(that run at a mild 6psi)

    But the F50 could be compared to the 650R which is an N/A engine like the F50. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    650R:
    0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
    0-100 mph: 7.1 sec
    Quarter Mile: 10.47 sec @ 132 mph
    Skidpad: 1.06g
    Top Speed: 215 mph
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 109 ft
    Slalom Speed: 75.1 mph

    F50 GT
    0-60 mph: 2.9 sec
    0-100 mph: 6.7 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.2 sec @ 129 mph
    Top Speed: 236 mph
    Skidpad: 1.25g

    TRACK = F50
    DRAG RACE = 650R
     
  5. #205 DodgeMS-4, Jan 22, 2003
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    SPLITMAST look at this

    Dear splitmast,

    Actually you see buddy i can put down the viper as much as i want because unlike you i have done a few 800 and 1000TT upgrades on vipers, the parts we had to use weren't american that is if we didnt have to order a whole new engine which we usually had to do. For you slow people like splitmast that means we had to tear the engine apart and replace every piece: valves, rods, cams, etc. u name it we did it. Basically to put it into perspective for you splitmast American car manufacturers are after one thing and one thing only MONEY the way they get money is they design cars to fall apart which they have been doing for a long time but didnt really get cheap until the end of the 70's but we arent talking about how cheap American car manufacturers are thats a topic we will get into later. As for my id why dont you pull your head out of your reneck ass and read the whole id which is Dodge MS-4 if you had any intelligence at all and you really are the car buff you would like us all to beleive you would know that in the 80's dodge was toying with the idea of producing a inline 4 capable of 440bhp utilizing twin Garrett turbos, etc. However they deicded not to start production due to the high production cost which the viper proved wrong, i'm amazed you know nothing of this car splitmast mainly because it was in a movie called The Wraith which has been of the best racing movies before Gone in 60 seconds came along. Currently my MS-4 doesnt have 1 american part in the engine and wont and is at double the BHP that Carroll Shelby's MS-4 had. As for the rest of you morons who beleive in Viper im sure you will be happy to know that your idol John Hennessey owner of Hennessey Motorsports in Houston, TX a shop which does the 650, 800, and 1000TT upgrades, as of April 5th, 2002 was being sued by 42 people for selling parts such as engines, doors,interior, hoods, off of his own customers cars, a few times he didnt even do the upgrades just let the cars sit and collect dust. What a nice guy he is huh? Being that was in april the lawsuits have almost doubled heres a link to one of the many sites that your beloved Hennessey #$%#ed someone over: http://www.davidawilks.com/Autoweek.html
     
  6. Looky Looky i was right all along

    Seems as though when this stupid argument started and i stated that a japanese man was on the design team of the Viper noone beleived me. Well guess what his name is everyone???? Larry Shinoda. Seems to me you hardcore american viper fans didnt even know that the reason the viper exists is due to Shinoda for the design, final body, engine and more that the Viper is known for. Looks as though the American car buff public on supercars.net is in a bit of a bind for you dislike foreign cars but a Japanese man designed your beloved Viper. Does anyone else see the irony in that? Yet once again i will say this please only post facts that you people are sure of and nothing you people made up. Also dont anyone start talking about the mighty U.S.A backing other countries up in previous wars. That has got to be the stupidest most unthoughtful comment i have ever seen anyone write facts being: 1. In the 200+ yrs america has been in 2 world wars and 3 other wars which they couldnt keep themselves out of because America is like the special ed kid who sits alone and wants to be involved in other peoples business. 2. The Chinese, Japanese, and all other asain people have been in very few wars in the 2000+ years their cultures have been thriving. So people once again if you dont have anything to say which is backed up by facts dont say it in the long run or you will just look like stupid Americans.
     
  7. Re: Looky Looky i was right all along

    The man who designed the Viper is an American citizen, had been living in the U.S. for the better part of a decade and had been a part of Chrylser's design team for about 5 years at that point. How does his nationality matter? Also, Carrol Shelby had a big role in the developement of the Viper.
     
  8. Re: SPLITMAST look at this

    "i have done a few 800 and 1000TT upgrades on vipers the parts we had to use weren't american that is if we didnt have to order a whole new engine which we usually had to do. "

    let me get this straigt, you've "done" 800tt upgrades??
    but wouldn't that mean you work for:

    "John Hennessey owner of Hennessey Motorsports in Houston, TX a shop which does the 650, 800, and 1000TT upgrades, as of April 5th, 2002 was being sued by 42 people for selling parts such as engines, doors,interior, hoods, off of his own customers cars, a few times he didnt even do the upgrades just let the cars sit and collect dust. What a nice guy he is huh? " ????????? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/confused.gif"></A>

    "American car manufacturers are after one thing and one thing only MONEY the way they get money is they design cars to fall apart which they have been doing for a long time but didnt really get cheap until the end of the 70's"

    if american cars "fall apart" like you CLAIM, then why would they offer warranties for thier cars??
    why would they want to design cars to "fall apart"??
    WHEN THEY DON'T
     
  9. Re: Looky Looky i was right all along

    "a Japanese man designed your beloved Viper. Does anyone else see the irony in that? "

    maybe, but i see irony in this:
    i'll take it you hate american cars because you say they "fall apart" or "American car manufacturers are after one thing and one thing only MONEY" yet:
    you say you've "done a few 800 and 1000TT upgrades on vipers"
    and you claim to OWN A DODGE: "Currently my MS-4"
    anyone else see irony in that???

    "Yet once again i will say this please only post facts that you people are sure of and nothing you people made up."

    LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, YOU'RE TELLING US THIS, WHILE YOU SAY BS LIKE THIS???:

    "i have done a few 800 and 1000TT upgrades on vipers"

    "American car manufacturers are after one thing and one thing only MONEY the way they get money is they design cars to fall apart which they have been doing for a long time but didnt really get cheap until the end of the 70's"
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    "So people once again if you dont have anything to say which is backed up by facts dont say it in the long run or you will just look like stupid Americans."

    oh, well please back up "by facts" that "American car manufacturers are after one thing and one thing only MONEY"

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  10. i would take the f50 over this anyday but who the hell compares a viper to a f50
     
  11. People who think that it would be a close comparison. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  12. #212 DodgeMS-4, Jan 24, 2003
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    Yet again i will try and explain this to you people

    Actually i did work for him in Texas for a couple of months up until i saw the crap he was trying to do to his customers, here is one of the many examples - A customer named Taig Stewart who lives in Salt Lake City, Utah had shipped his viper down to TX to have it upgraded to 1001 hp in an agreement of 7 months well 16 months later it is still sitting in Johns shop in Tx with nothing done to it. Since you guys want to get technical and disect every word that i write here's somethign even more - the car that Taig Stewart shipped to Hennessey MotorSports is not only sitting in the corner of Johns shop halfway under a tarp collecting dust but it is missing the hood, engine, doors, transmission, interior and more all of which either John sold outright or used those pieces for different projects because hes cheap and is full of bs. Dont beleive me? Here you can see for yourselves here is a link to one of the many people John Hennessey has #$%#ed over -

    http://www.davidawilks.com/Autoweek.html

    Now since you guys are witty enough to put a post on this site im sure you can go to any search enigne and look for the lawsuits against Hennessey which i speak of and if you dont then you prove how stupid Americans really are.

    As for the un-intelligent moron who posted that clever paragraph speaking of how Carroll Shelby had everything to do with the viper coming out, im sorry to tell you but he didnt have anythign to do with the viper coming at all. When the first viper came out Larry Shinoda (a Japanese man) designed the body, engine, transmission, etc (which i may add Carroll Shelby did not like the final Viper design). As for Carroll Shelby i have no clue why you made that up but if for some reason Carroll Shelby designed the Viper as you think in your perfect little world where there is never any wars and it is always peaceful there would be no need for any car manufacturer to have a Design Team now would there? As for the people who think that American car manufacturers are out to give them the best deal for their $$$$ think again before you sign that paper look at the little words on it which most likely say something to the effect of "3year/50,000 or 100,000 mile warranty on powertrain" let me clear up what that means: A powertrain is the bottom half of the engine to the linkage which turns into the transmission nothing else. As for the warranty which american car manufacturers (as cheap as they are) give think about it people 3 years or 100,000 miles. Seriously how many miles will you get in 3 years? Not 100,000 why dont u try along the lines of 350,000 - 400,000 being that most families who deicde to buy a car buy a car as their main vehicle.
     
  13. Re: Yet again i will try and explain this to you people

    If i may say, dodge said "7 year or 70,000 mile limited warenty* on the hardest working parts of our vehicles. And that's in addition to our 3 year 36,000 mile bumper to bmper basic limited warranty" end of quote. Now im no wise guy but did you say something about an everage family driving 400,000 miles in 3 years. Now now wait a minute. Im not the smartest but by my calculations with todays technology(calculator), your telling me that the average family drives from 320-365 miles per day. LOL. I think you need to go back to basic math. Because your lacking a few things.
    Hey thats pretty funny. If the average family traveled that far then they could drive from Oklahoma City and go half way to Colorado. Think of the poor kids. Their dads having to drive to work every day. 320 MILES EVERY DAY. Well thats ok. Because with the warranty that you have provided with us, working daddy should be in A-OK CONDITION.
    LOL
     
  14. Re: Looky Looky i was right all along

    sounds a lit'l like McDonalds...they only care about Money...not the food your eating!
     
  15. DodgeMS-4:
    Can you tell me where Larry Shinoda was born? Can you provide some shred of evidence he had any hand in the design of the Viper?

    BTW, that stuff about Hennessey is old news. I have no sympathy for Taig Stewart. Anyone that rich, who's unwilling to do some homework before forking over that kind of money deserves what's coming to him, IMO. A simple search (of common knowledge on the internet) would have saved him $$$ and grief.
     
  16. Actuallly Guibo if you went to that website i posted and read that or other stories which i highly doubt you did you would want nothing to do with any viper form now on. But if you feel that you want to spend $160k and then an extra $55k for a american piece of crap with a aluminum v10 that only puts out 800Bhp using twin turbos which should make that much bhp stock then go right ahead be my guest but me on the pther hand i will stick with my m4-s reasons being it coest me $15k k and another $6500 now has 865bhp on a 4 cylinder and i might add the engine in my car is barely putting any hp or torgue out and i have spent not even 1/2 of what it would cost for a brand new lexus hmmm ponder that one. Also being that 4 cylinders are capable of 1200+ hp on just engine (which time has proven over and over again) no turbos, superchargers, or nos then shouldnt a v10 have somewhere in the neighborhood of 1600bhp stock? Nope the reason is because if it came that way from the factory you wouldnt have to pay the $55k for a half ass job from the likes Hennessey Motorsports which not only wont do the work but is also going bankrupt (because John Hennessey thought he was smart and didnt think any of his customers were intelligent, well they sure proved him wrong), so as i said before people before you disect and twist what i write around find some proof against what i speak of however until that time comes which it wont i might add wont, dont sayanything for as i stated many times you will look like stupid hard-headed americans.
     
  17. #217 Guibo, Jan 27, 2003
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    Quote from DodgeMS-4:
    "Actuallly Guibo if you went to that website i posted and read that or other stories which i highly doubt you did you would want nothing to do with any viper form now on."

    No, it simply means I wouldn't want anything to do with DEALING WITH JOHN HENNESSEY FROM NOW ON. Where does it say anything in that website that Vipers are no good? Oh, that's right. It doesn't! What does that article say about stock Vipers? Oh, that's right. Nothing! What does that article say about taking your Viper to TNT, RSI, Doug Levin Motorsports, SVSi, Apex Motorsports, BTR Viper Performance, or Lingenfelter Performance Engineering? Oh, that's right. Nothing!
    Dude, why are you re-hashing OLD NEWS?! I read about this over a year ago on the Viper owners forum and at the Corvette owners forum. Newsflash: ELVIS IS DEAD! But in case you missed it, here's just a tidbit of stuff that I read before the TAIG STEWART case ever surfaced to the public:
    http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=171175
    Oh dear. That pre-dates your "news" by half a year! How is it that I, who don't even have a Viper, know more about HMS's business practices than Taig Stewart, who does. And can afford to fork that much money over, sight unseen, for work not yet done? Obviously, Mr. Stewart has more $$$ than common sense. Several years ago, I bought a $100 camera lense from a New York state merchant. I only did so AFTER checking out that merchant through the BBB. Clean bill of health, I made the deal, the goods were as advertised, I never had to look back. Did Mr. Stewart even bother to check the Texas state BBB for HMS's background? You'd think with the $$$ at hand (it wasn't just a camera lense, now was it?), that'd be the LEAST he could do.


    Do you have a dyno sheet on your car? What's your compression ratio? What boost are you running?
    Big whoop. So your car makes 800+ hp. Have you ever seen a dyno sheet for an 800-hp Supra vs. an 800-hp Viper? Are they really the "same"? Think about it. BMW put out 1300+ hp out of 1.5 liters over 2 decades ago. Are they somehow dropping the ball by not offering an engine anywhere near that specific output today? Damn, their 3.0-liter V10's probably don't make much more than 70% of what their turbocharged 4's were doing. Does that mean their engineering sucks now?
    And what makes you think 800 hp is tops for a turbocharged Viper? There are some 725-777 hp NATURALLY ASPIRATED Vipers out there. Let's see your car do that without a turbo.
    And which 4-cylinder NON-TURBO cars are you talking about that put out 1200 hp?

    Dodge MS-4? That car was never in the move "The Wraith". Wasn't that the Dodge M4S?
    http://www.allpar.com/squads/pace.html
    http://www.fast-rewind.com/wraith.htm
    http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/2/7/1006/1/4

    Big freakin' whoop. There are probably $15K Mustangs that will beat the 800TT in the quarter. Those Mustangs will shred an NSX to pieces as well. Does that make the NSX any less worthy of admiration?

    I ask you again: Can you tell me where Larry Shinoda was born? Do you have any evidence he had a hand in the design of the Viper?
     
  18. WE really got to stop comparein' this to Ferrari's...
    this place is becomein' a War Zone...
     
  19. "But if you feel that you want to spend $160k and then an extra $55k for a american piece of crap with a aluminum v10 that only puts out 800Bhp using twin turbos which should make that much bhp stock then go right ahead be my guest "

    actually, you'd be spending a total of $160k (car and mods. total)

    And keep in mind, that the 800TT may have twin turbos, but they're only running 6PSI, and the car is stock beneath the heads, meaning 488ci.


    "Also being that 4 cylinders are capable of 1200+ hp on just engine "

    Post a link to one of those cars.


    "shouldnt a v10 have somewhere in the neighborhood of 1600bhp stock? "

    LOL 1600hp??

    Lamborghini murcielago - 580hp

    Ferrari F50 - 520hp

    Ferrari 550 - 485hp

    These cars all have V12's and they're no where near that number!
     
  20. if u think about it u can tune any car to go fast...even my lit'l 1986 Magna's got a chance!
     
  21. You guys ever watch the Gumball 3000?? Cuase they did a feature on this car and the 800+ hp Lenginfighert corvette and some others the viper got toatly killed by the corvette well so did everything else the viper doing a highspeed 75* tack entry spun out ans soo nas it touched the apron and even spun out when it was doing a slalom the corvette and a porche were the only cars that did not hit a pylon or spin btw.. the Viper cant burnout like the vette can...

    yah and about the topic i think the Viper would win but it would be kinda close
     
  22. Totally killed? The margin between the 1st and 4th place car was only something like 2-3 seconds, out of about 100 seconds for the quickest cars.
    That was C&D that did the test. The Gumball 3000 didn't have any slaloms (other than the 360 Modena weaving in and out of the cones in the construction zone). You must have been watching the DVD "Mischief 3000"? Anyway, the Corvette in that C&D comparo wasn't 800+ hp. It only had 650. Great performance from Lingenfelter & crew, I must say.
     
  23. #223 Guibo, Feb 1, 2003
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    OK, since DodgeMS-4 doesn't want to address it, here goes.

    LARRY SHINODA
    Born: 1930, in *LOS ANGELES*
    Had a direct hand in designing
    Boss 302? Yes!
    Camaro Z-28? Yes!
    Mako Shark Corvette? Yes!

    Dodge Viper? Nope.
    Bob Lutz, Tom Gale, Francois Castaing, and Carroll Shelby are considered the "Four Fathers" of the Viper. They had a hand in the Viper's inception, design, and engineering. Larry Shinoda doesn't figure in anywhere.

    http://www.paccd.cc.ca.us/75th/alumni/shinoda/shinoda.html
     
  24. Yes, he also had a hand in the 429cobra mustang, and on the history channles' look at the history of the mustang, said something like, not liking the 351w boss mustang idea. Tom Gale was the vice-president of design for the original viper. (RT/10)

    But if you think about it, the design manager for the new SRT-10 viper is japan-born Osamu Shikado. (so dodgems4, had you replaced the name shinoda with shikado, your argument might have made sence, but i don't see your point.) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  25. and what...because its got a we bit Japenese in it, that makes it shit!
    The Japs do make good Cars to u know.
     

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