Re: Who says GM cant build an engine?

Discussion in '2002 Cadillac Cien Concept' started by SRB The Punisher, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Actually..I think the Caddy accoutants have got more balls now. They did go ahead and make a CTS without even showing a concept!

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  2. impressive piece of machenery and great looking if i had the cash id take it
     
  3. Uh oh..I dunno Spanish..well I hope das Spanish =P

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  4. Who says GM cant build an engine?

    This engine is a 7.5 liter v12 and 750 horsepower. That would make it have 100 hp per liter which exhibits engineering excellence. It is a naturally aspired all aluminum v12 connected to a 6 speed manual with automatic clutch. If put into production it would cost a mere 130 thousand which in my opinion is a small price to pay for such an exotic and good-looking car with great luxury and performace. The performance specs are astonishing to say the least. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and the quarter mile in a rather brisk 11 seconds FLAT! that beats out cars like lamborghini diablo (300 thousand dollars) and even the coveted mclare f1 (upwards of 1 million dollars). I love both cars but for the 130 thousnd this caddy would cost, i say it cant be beaten. A stock 11 second quarter mile is un-heard-of to my knowledge at least for a stock car and i bet the handling is great. Great car for the money. Post thoughts, Peace.
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  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from transamman</i>
    <b>This engine is a 7.5 liter v12 and 750 horsepower. That would make it have 100 hp per liter which exhibits engineering excellence. It is a naturally aspired all aluminum v12 connected to a 6 speed manual with automatic clutch. If put into production it would cost a mere 130 thousand which in my opinion is a small price to pay for such an exotic and good-looking car with great luxury and performace. The performance specs are astonishing to say the least. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and the quarter mile in a rather brisk 11 seconds FLAT! that beats out cars like lamborghini diablo (300 thousand dollars) and even the coveted mclare f1 (upwards of 1 million dollars). I love both cars but for the 130 thousnd this caddy would cost, i say it cant be beaten. A stock 11 second quarter mile is un-heard-of to my knowledge at least for a stock car and i bet the handling is great. Great car for the money. Post thoughts, Peace.
    TRANSAMMAN</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->well not to say that those stats arent amazing, however i think we can all agree that GM's preformance stats tend to be a little on the too optomistic side. still for the 130 thousand i would rather buy something with a real manual transmission, not a semiautomatic with no clutch. also the 130 could go towards a faster vw12 with a good 40-50 grand left over.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. with 750 horsepower and only 3300 pounds, i'd say the numbers are on the conservative side. Work out the power to weight ratio, then talk.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. Yah they did a nice job. The hp/liter is not quite up there with a lot of the european makers but its pretty impresive. Now if only the styling on this car had been better.
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from transamman</i>
    <b>with 750 horsepower and only 3300 pounds, i'd say the numbers are on the conservative side. Work out the power to weight ratio, then talk.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->its not as simple as saying power to weight ratio in some cases. letd look at the transmission, with a semi automatic ur gonna lose a lot of time. also 750hp could mean nothing when its at the crank, the power must be delivered smoothly and properly to the rear wheels, and caddilac has had some issue with that in the past. however look at bmw, they can get an extra 20-30hp through their delivery methods to the drive line. also gearing will be a huge factor in this cars preformance. finally i stand by my statement made earlier that gm's preformance numbers are too optomistic. but i think people should wait for this car to even hit production (if it does) before people form a bias oppinion this paticular car. because i know of a lot of very very fast and powerful concepts that never made it to production that never got anywhere near as much recognition as this car, and imo deserve more.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. Hmmmmmm...Nice engine.
    I'm not sure if they will build this car, but if they don't, alot of the technology will be integrated into other products =)
    If this car is not produced, it will be a giant R&D project for GM =P

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    <b>This engine is a 7.5 liter v12 and 750 horsepower. That would make it have 100 hp per liter which exhibits engineering excellence. It is a naturally aspired all aluminum v12 connected to a 6 speed manual with automatic clutch. If put into production it would cost a mere 130 thousand which in my opinion is a small price to pay for such an exotic and good-looking car with great luxury and performace. The performance specs are astonishing to say the least. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and the quarter mile in a rather brisk 11 seconds FLAT! that beats out cars like lamborghini diablo (300 thousand dollars) and even the coveted mclare f1 (upwards of 1 million dollars). I love both cars but for the 130 thousnd this caddy would cost, i say it cant be beaten. A stock 11 second quarter mile is un-heard-of to my knowledge at least for a stock car and i bet the handling is great. Great car for the money. Post thoughts, Peace.
    TRANSAMMAN</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->well not to say that those stats arent amazing, however i think we can all agree that GM's preformance stats tend to be a little on the too optomistic side. still for the 130 thousand i would rather buy something with a real manual transmission, not a semiautomatic with no clutch. also the 130 could go towards a faster vw12 with a good 40-50 grand left over.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    W12 was geared toward a bargain priced sportscar from VW. But as it stands now, it'll likely be placed between the Lamborghini's Murcielago and the Bugatti's Veyron....and that'll be way more than 130k can afford....<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. yeah..the new W12 is impressive, but very pricey, and I dun like the backend.
    But overall it looks nice =)

    Funny think is that this care just doesn't really looks like a supercar..maybe it's the coulour of the sharp..yet subtle angles.

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  12. I think that anything sporty in the line up would help the caddy nameplate, but when it comes down to it most of the accountants will probably get scared and water it down. they have been thinking of a v12 since 1988 and i don't ever see it going into production. i hope im wrong, but i think this is just another solitare/evoq that will never see the road.
     
  13. yea the some fleetwood models had a 500ci engine that only got 6mpg
    but the cars were so heavy it did no good.
     
  14. Man, you guys are totally missing the point. The point is that Cadillac went to a whole new level. They aren't into the old-fogey sedans anymore. Cadillac is upgrading their whole image. It started with the escalade, and then they put into production the CTS, and now they are going to build a GT? They are going for the full range of customers and with cars like these, they are succeding.
     
  15. Para mi los mejores motores de GM son los Northstar y los Ecotec. La gente de USA no ve mucho los motores producidos en europa, como es el caso de el motor Ecotec, les sugiero que estudien el motor y veran lo que en verdad es un buen motor. En México llegó en un Opel astra con 2 versiones, el motor ecotec 1.8 16v y el 2.2 16v. A USA llego el 2.2 16v en el cavalier, sunfire y saturn; hasta ahora van a conocer lo que es un buen motor.
     
  16. this car just shows what can be done when a mass-market domestics manurfacturer turns its resources to making something fast. the result is it costs alot less than italian hand-made performance.
    well a lambo costs 300,000 because its largely handmade.
    look at some other examples. Nissan's skyline GT-R is dripping with more high tech bits at $55,000 USD than a lambo 5 times the price. <!-- Signature -->
     
  17. yeah..but then the Lambo will probs blow the Skyline GTR off the road..especially if there is an AWD version for the new Murceilago (spelling?) =P

    But it's nice to see GM aim for the younger market now and quit making offroaders, construction pickups, family sedans and people movers =P

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  18. yeah thats true, mind you even a stock skyline gt-r would out handle a lambo though, as they out handle ever other production car and have the nurburgring lap record in germany.

    i was meaning in terms of technology a gt-r is stuffed with gadgets, some lambo have AWD but not AWS etc.
    this caddy would be better in a straight line with awd and shedding a bit of weight, then it would be serious competition for certain italian car makers <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> <!-- Signature -->
     
  19. whoever has a GM logo for their forum name does not know the meaning of a supercar.why would u be interested in this site and like GM, are u that fond of the Sierra??GM is crap<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. what the Fu(k are you trying to say you sound like a retard with your broken up sentence.if you are retarded GM makes Corvette/camaro/trans am/cadillac/hummer/Etc/all the cars i said are on this site.i like them all thus i like GM.
     
  21. its about time they do. benz has had a v12 that can go on 6cyl for a while. honda has had engines with equally high specific output. sad thing is that for gm its a concept..benz and honda have em in production cars right now.
     
  22. amen...they are years behind
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  23. Yeah..but I dun believe that Benz is using that engine cuz they couldn't get throttle response fast enough.
    As for Jap, they have way lower HP!! Ok..better fuel efficientcy, but also a lack in torque.
    The Japs are also too relied on tech. I mean, has anyone driven a Honda sports car..like Integra, Prelude, S2000, NSX? The VTEC actually has a limiter that won't let you push the car until the engine is hot!!.
    WTF is that!!?

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  24. I agree about the Honda thing. You can add turbos and NOS until they can beat a Corvette, but you're going to pay a hell of a lot more. And you might have an edge until the Corvette adds turbos and NOS, at which point you're up shit creek.
     
  25. Just to get this out of the way, some one said the skyline gt-r will out handle a diablo? I would pay good money to see that! I doubt it very much.
    This car is at least a revolutionary vehicle. The styling is definitly unique, though I do see some Murcilago-esqe features, like the area right behind the side windows. I am not a fan of the hard edged look, but I kinda like this one. Also, if it is true that that 450 ft-lbs is available at 1800 rpm, that should make this thing a demon of the line, though that number is a bit low compared to the bhp #'s. Then again, its got a very similar torque to litres ratio compared to a viper, and no one calls the Viper underpowered. The biggest wow factor is that it is a cadillac. More power to Gm and Caddy for trying something new. Personally, I think it is the smart way to go for them (time may prove me wrong) crystler/dodge have been quite daring when it comes to styling and concepts, and they are doing well. Even ford is coming out of its shell with the t-bird. Anyone who thinks this is a dumb car is not reading between the lines. This is a concept, and it has the attention of this site and I'm sure it is one of the most anticipated concepts around. The caddy image is changing as we speak. That is the whole goal for them.
    Beyond that, speculating is dumb in this case. People have said everything from 130 thousand to 500 grand plus on the price. WTF do we know?
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