Re: Why do u guys like american carz??

Discussion in '2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 35th Anniversary' started by C5 R Vette, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from INLINE4</i>
    <b>OH,YEAH AND GO ASK THEM FORD,DODGE OWNERS TOO.. THEY SPENT MOST OF THEIR TIME IN THE SHOP. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are an idiot.
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from INLINE4</i>
    <b>I HAVE RESPECT FOR MUSCLE CAR CUZ THEY HAVE RESPECT FOR ME...BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IF IMPORT SUCK THAN WHY IS GM USING THERE ENGINE ON THEIR CARS???BUT FOR SURE GM DOES SUCKS THEY FALL APART..</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Please, do stop rambling. AND DON'T TYPE IN CAPS, that's the most annoying thing in the world.

    GM's don't fall apart, name one stock Honda that can beat a Z06?<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. Name one GM car that can beat a Honda F1 around a road course (the old F1 Hondas were 1500 cc making over 1600 bhp so stick that on your bong and smoke it). Now name a GM that can beat a Toyota Eagle MKIII around a road course. Now name a GM that can beat Toyota at Baja. Now name a GM that can beat a Toyota GT-One around a road course. Thats right you can't because there aren't any.

    If you want to spend $50K on a street car, buy something that rides nice and can carry people/luggage. If you want a fast car you can build one for $50K that would toast everything in most amateur competition.

    I use to street race but its for kids. There comes a day when you have to build a track car and get your SCCA license. And just to clue you in, Corvettes don't dominate SCCA racing.

    BTW: isn't the C5-R the first factory team Corvette to EVEN FINISH at Le Mans? <!-- Signature -->
     
  4. now name any imported car that can beat an american t/f dragster in a 1/4 mile. thats right, you cant because there arent any.
    and dont talk about shooting a rocket of down a drag strip.
     
  5. The only reason there aren't is because NHRA is a national competition not a global one. Its about advertising, most people on Earth don't care about t/f. Anyone can build a drag car. And its not that fun to race in either. And Toyota had a T/F project but they dropped it because of their F1 effort and because of NHRA being stuborn in admitting them. The engine made 800-1000 bhp more than the competitions' entries though. That was while it was in the testing phase. Like I said, it was dropped because F1 gets more attention. Its not hard to beat domestics in sanctioned racing events. Toyota proved that at Baja.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. BTW: Why do you keep telling me to not talk about certain things that would answer your questinos?<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from May Spin</i>
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    I5.... agreed, a V5 is a little too unbalanced dont you think.

    Oh and as for getting 10's in an f-fody for $3K....

    2001+ Automatic
    Add...
    Stall converter good for mid-high 12's (stock).
    4.10 gears.

    Air lid, exhaust cut out (basically open headers after the cats), Nitto 555DR's, oh...and you're going to need a 150 shot of juice.

    very high 10's/low 11's possible, but dont expect your rear end to last.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Dude, how are you going to have headers after the cat? I think this affects the credibility of your post.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from May Spin</i>
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    I5.... agreed, a V5 is a little too unbalanced dont you think.

    Oh and as for getting 10's in an f-fody for $3K....

    2001+ Automatic
    Add...
    Stall converter good for mid-high 12's (stock).
    4.10 gears.

    Air lid, exhaust cut out (basically open headers after the cats), Nitto 555DR's, oh...and you're going to need a 150 shot of juice.

    very high 10's/low 11's possible, but dont expect your rear end to last.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Dude, how are you going to have headers after the cat? I think this affects the credibility of your post.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    errrrr....dude, I did not say headers after the cats. I was explaining what a cut out was. Although not really open (I think you missed that word) headers, if you add an off-road y-pipe (with cut out) you're close enough. Still around $3K in all for high 10's/low 11's.

    My credibility stands.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>
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    <b>American car companies just couldn't be screwed to make a car to rival the Japs coz it would be a waste of time and money because as soon as it got close to a ***** ass racer in his twin turbo NOS injected Skyline with all his spoilers and gay shit like that, once it jumped off the line the japs would go home thinking about the stupid mistakes they had made <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> long live the V8 beasts of the good ol' US of A!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You think your 5.7 is fast off the line?

    R&T Sports & GT Cars 2001

    2001 Pontiac Firebird 10th Anniversary Firehawk
    0-40 mph......3.0
    0-60 mph......5.4
    0-80 mph......8.9
    0-100 mph.....13.1

    0-1320 ft.....13.9 @103.3

    R&T July 1999 AWD Sports Cars Volume 50, Number 11

    2000 Nissan Skyline GT-R
    0-40 mph......2.7
    0-60 mph......5.4
    0-80 mph......8.7
    0-100 mph.....13.0

    0-1320 ft ....13.7 @ 103.5

    The SLP has more power and torque and weighs less but it still isn't as fast. Looks like one of these cars needs some better engineering and it looks like SLP should "go home and think about the stupid mistakes they made".

    Toyota makes/has made some very potent V8s as well...

    In 1969 and 1970 Toyota made a naturally aspirated 4968cc DOHC V8 ENDURANCE engine: 800 bhp @ 8000 rpm

    Over30 years later GM finally makes a Vette that can finish Le Mans (about time)...powered by naturally aspirated 6980cc OHV V8 endurance engine that can only make 610 bhp @ 6200 rpm.

    Who is it that can make a better V8?

    I don't dislike domestic cars but if you're going to bash jap cars you should do your homework first...But then you wouldn't be able to bash them any more.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    STOCK 2000 Z28 M6 ODO reads---5000 13.3 @ 103. It all depends on the driver. My car doesn't even have ram air! I just have the ballz to hold the gas to the floor while I shift.
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>
    <b>The only reason there aren't is because NHRA is a national competition not a global one. Its about advertising, most people on Earth don't care about t/f. Anyone can build a drag car. And its not that fun to race in either. And Toyota had a T/F project but they dropped it because of their F1 effort and because of NHRA being stuborn in admitting them. The engine made 800-1000 bhp more than the competitions' entries though. That was while it was in the testing phase. Like I said, it was dropped because F1 gets more attention. Its not hard to beat domestics in sanctioned racing events. Toyota proved that at Baja.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    why does gary selzi run a celica body if toyota isn't allowed in NHRA.
    the reason I said that about the rocket is because even you said how the power would be uncontrolable. What is the diff. between shooting a tomahwack missle and this nickel nitrate prototype you are talking about?
     
  11. I can't help but notice that every rich person in the world,including the US is driving cars from everywhere, but here in the US
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from GTR Skyline R34</i>
    <b>I can't help but notice that every rich person in the world,including the US is driving cars from everywhere, but here in the US</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    because america makes cars for the average person. they do not market cars to millionares. And what makes you think that what rich people buy is the best of the best?
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>
    <b>The only reason there aren't is because NHRA is a national competition not a global one. Its about advertising, most people on Earth don't care about t/f. Anyone can build a drag car. And its not that fun to race in either. And Toyota had a T/F project but they dropped it because of their F1 effort and because of NHRA being stuborn in admitting them. The engine made 800-1000 bhp more than the competitions' entries though. That was while it was in the testing phase. Like I said, it was dropped because F1 gets more attention. Its not hard to beat domestics in sanctioned racing events. Toyota proved that at Baja.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    you always bring up baja, but this is not the only form of off road truck racing and toyota does not win all of them.
    I also saw a 1000hp 4cyl toyota at the pikes peak hill climb. a pretty sweet car, but it broke down half way up the hill. Dont rag on engine quality, the diff between an engine that breaks down and one that wins the race is slim to none. the difference usally is the one that broke down tuned their engine a little too hot.
    I belive most cars are the same(nearly) in performance win it comes to sanctioned racing, where the difference lies is in the pit crew and tuners of the engine.
     
  14. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from mahrens34</i>
    <b>you always bring up baja, but this is not the only form of off road truck racing and toyota does not win all of them.
    I also saw a 1000hp 4cyl toyota at the pikes peak hill climb. a pretty sweet car, but it broke down half way up the hill. Dont rag on engine quality, the diff between an engine that breaks down and one that wins the race is slim to none. the difference usally is the one that broke down tuned their engine a little too hot.
    I belive most cars are the same(nearly) in performance win it comes to sanctioned racing, where the difference lies is in the pit crew and tuners of the engine.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Yeah man, that was the Pikes Peak Tacoma (though it has no actual Tacoma parts) run by Rod Millen. He still holds the record for the fastest ascent from his 1000 bhp Celica he ran in 1994. His Tacoma uses the same engine that was in his Celica and is faster on paper but the conditions haven't been right for him to make a sub 10 minute run. So it broke once; that was the only time, to my knowledge, his car has ever broken down after several years at Pikes Peak. Anyway Pikes Peak is another race Toyota does well in...Seeing as how they still hold the record from their efforts in 1994. And hill climb is probably one of the most difficult forms of racing, for both drivers and engineers alike. I would imagine it to be far more difficult than Baja SCORE Championship.

    I feel that in a given class the manufacturer, pit crew, team manager, sponsors, and drivers are all equally important. If I hot lapped the Ferarri F1 that Schumacher drives he couldn't beat my time with a Civic. But at the same time he could quite easily beat me with a lesser F1. You can loose the race for almost any reason; car, driver, pit crew, manager...etc. Anything can go wrong.

    BTW: Toyota wasn't allowed to use the factory built T/F rail car. I didn't ever say they couldn't run other classes. I also never said that all racers who use Toyotas will always win. I said the FACTORY TEAM has a good history of race wins in a variety of different races and as a race fan I will support their efforts through buying their cars.

    I also didn't say that rocket cars are uncontrollable. There are several that run 1.5-2 second 1/4 mile times. I described it as difficult. I said that no human driver/pilot/whatever could hold the Gs to get supersonic in the 1/4 mile (though its possible with present technology). The cars are very controllable but you would want to start slow and tune the aerodynamic qualities as you get faster and faster. You could put a 12,000 hp rocket on any street car but you'd skip around like a stone across a pond. I'm just saying that rockets can be very dangerous if the car isn't setup properly. Assuming that its well designed the car would be quite controllable. You shouldn't build anything under 6.5 seconds yourself unless you're an engineer (and a darn good one). That is just my opinion.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    And I was saying that the reason that an engine breakes down is usally due to the tuning. I said nothing about losing the race. Gary selzi runs in t/f funny car class.About the rocket, you could shoot a bullet down the run way and beat any car, but if there is no one driving it than there is really no point. By doing this you are taking out all other factors except who can build a faster rocket. reaction time, driver error, all the things that make a race interesting and unpredictable would be gone.
     
  15. and what happened to the mr2 spot we were posting at?

    Like you said toyota does well, just like many other manufacturers that compete in the hill climb.
     
  16. American cars rule the lingenfelter 427tt corvette can go from 0-60 in 1.4sec. and over 230mph
     
  17. I agree with you about the driver making the race interesting. I think there is too much driver assistance even now. In many forms of road racing they use electronic traction control and in a few events the team is allowed to use steering correction from a computer. Even in drag racing I know a few people who are using a computer that controls the engine and automatic transmission; the computer launches the car. I'm not sure how but in practice runs they time the computer with the lights and when they make the actual run the computer is the only reaction involved. All the driver does is keep his/her foot on the floor. T/F rail cars have computer controlled clutch slip to aid in the launch, last I heard. They also use no gear change mechanism...The ratio stays the same from start to finish.

    I think the MR2 thread was deleted. 94FORMULA and LegendNH are good buddies. Would surprise me if LegendNH deleted the thread. I've had problems with him altering/deleting my posts for no reason in the past.

    I think so highly of Toyota in hill climb because their record is 8 years old and the closest anyone has come to braking it was about 10:30 vs Toyota's 10:12.<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. i a pretty sure that under the funny car class they manually hit lights. this is why that angela girl who rides the bike for winston hits alot of red lights. also they manually shift in most classes under t/f
     
  19. I think only the rail T/Fs use the computer controled clutch slip. Y'know how just before they come off the line a lot of white/grey powdery stuff comes from the engine area. That is from the clutch. I'm pretty sure that they have no gear box, just a clutch and spool. The RPM is controlled by the clutch slippage throughout the 1/4 mile. I'm sure they worked this way at one point in the not-so-distant past; I'm not sure about today though. The only people I know personally who race(d) are retired from motorsports.<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Dear japcarsrule:
    the 427
    428 and hemi's are a comin for you

    put your money where your mouth is let's race

    you know i will drive up from canada and come to sunset boulevard just so u don't break a sweat but be on the lookout for
    a cherry red 1967 cobra here i will put up a pic just for you
    how about putting about 10,000 worth of nos in your civic.

    and when i am done racing i will get out my car kick your asss and push mommy's grocery getter over the hollywood hills cliff

    heres what to look for:<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. hey japcarsrule youer forgetting i want a race with you..... that is if you even own a car. or if you still aren't in diapers. and remember running isn't the way to win here's what to look for on your home in sunset boulevard;
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  22. here we go...

    dunno whats up with the pic just click on it
     
  23. Cobra...HA!

    Are you trying to remind us all about how Shelby failed to beat Ferrari by the end of the racing season. They were great for toasting cheap vettes but couldn't aquire an international championship. Mazda however did quite well at Le Mans in 1991 with 1st place. And Toyota destroyed everyone in IMSA GTP class in the 1993.

    The good international racer to come from state-side in the 60s was the GT40 and only because it was refined in a computer controlled test cell in England. Nice car though, first one to be designed with computer assistance.

    Actually I think Cobras are pretty cool (real and replica), what brand is yours and what kinda of power train do you use?<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. HI, FIRST OF ALL IN REGARDS TO THIS CAR, ITS A GOOD BUY FOR THE MONEY, BUT ITS STILL A WANNA BE SUPER CAR... BASICALLY IF U WANT TO DRIVE A CAR FOR A YEAR AND TOSS IT IN THE TRASH, THEN BUY THIS SHIT.

    secondly Emar 2 guy, i read a post of yours about the fiero, and you sounded pretty tough saying that you like to race your MR2, i live in san diego california, and im whilling to race your lil ***** ass mother#$%#ing car any day. i dont drive anything super fast, just an acura NSX with a few mods, intake, exhaust and headers. Ill race your car any time, any day any place, here are some pics of my car. my screen name on AOL isntant messanger is RuskiyPimp2000 contact me.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. Are you a little kid or just a hateful adult. Why the hate? Why would you say "lil ***** ass mother#$%#ing car" in description of my MR2? Have I ever hurt you? "im whilling" you say? Go back to school and learn to write! My cars are all in continuous improvement. My yellow MR2 now runs consistent 12.50s without nitrous and the best I've ever seen an NSX with intake and exhaust work run was 12.7XX. "Ill race your car any time, any day any place"...Drive to Texas and and we'll find a drag strip for you.

    "You think you know, BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA."
    -Well, that last time I took an IQ test I was hung-over and still a little high...133 was my score. My best ever was 147. Its possible you have more life experience than me but I'm betting based on the things you say and the way you act that you are 10-15 years old.

    "Mess with the best, DIE LIKE THE REST."
    -Somewhat true, but still cocky and imature. What are you trying to prove? Are you compensating for a lacking in another area of your life?
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