Should Canada arrest GWBush?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by BP, Nov 19, 2004.

  1. #1 BP, Nov 19, 2004
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    Found this on another forum, source is The Toronto Star. I don't think they should, but I just thought it was amusing reading material.

    " When U.S. President George W. Bush arrives in Ottawa — probably later this year — should he be welcomed? Or should he be charged with war crimes?

    It's an interesting question. On the face of it, Bush seems a perfect candidate for prosecution under Canada's Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes Act.

    This act was passed in 2000 to bring Canada's ineffectual laws in line with the rules of the new International Criminal Court. While never tested, it lays out sweeping categories under which a foreign leader like Bush could face arrest.

    In particular, it holds that anyone who commits a war crime, even outside Canada, may be prosecuted by our courts. What is a war crime? According to the statute, it is any conduct defined as such by "customary international law" or by conventions that Canada has adopted.

    War crimes also specifically include any breach of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, such as torture, degradation, wilfully depriving prisoners of war of their rights "to a fair and regular trial," launching attacks "in the knowledge that such attacks will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians" and deportation of persons from an area under occupation.

    Outside of one well-publicized (and quickly squelched) attempt in Belgium, no one has tried to formally indict Bush. But both Oxfam International and the U.S. group Human Rights Watch have warned that some of the actions undertaken by the U.S. and its allies, particularly in Iraq, may fall under the war crime rubric.

    The case for the prosecution looks quite promising. First, there is the fact of the Iraq war itself. After 1945, Allied tribunals in Nuremberg and Tokyo — in an astonishing precedent — ruled that states no longer had the unfettered right to invade other countries and that leaders who started such conflicts could be tried for waging illegal war.

    Concurrently, the new United Nations outlawed all aggressive wars except those authorized by its Security Council.

    Today, a strong case could be made that Bush violated the Nuremberg principles by invading Iraq. Indeed, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has already labelled that war illegal in terms of the U.N. Charter.

    Second, there is the manner in which the U.S. conducted this war.

    The mistreatment of prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison is a clear contravention of the Geneva Accord. The U.S. is also deporting selected prisoners to camps outside of Iraq (another contravention). U.S. press reports also talk of shadowy prisons in Jordan run by the CIA, where suspects are routinely tortured. And the estimated civilian death toll of 100,000 may well contravene the Geneva Accords prohibition against the use of excessive force.

    Canada's war crimes law specifically permits prosecution not only of those who carry out such crimes but of the military and political superiors who allow them to happen.

    What has emerged since Abu Ghraib shows that officials at the highest levels of the Bush administration permitted and even encouraged the use of torture.

    Given that Bush, as he likes to remind everyone, is the U.S. military's commander-in-chief, it is hard to argue he bears no responsibility.

    Then there is Guantanamo Bay. The U.S. says detainees there do not fall under the Geneva accords. That's an old argument.

    In 1946, Japanese defendants explained their mistreatment of prisoners of war by noting that their country had never signed any of the Geneva Conventions. The Japanese were convicted anyway.

    Oddly enough, Canada may be one of the few places where someone like Bush could be brought to justice. Impeachment in the U.S. is most unlikely. And, at Bush's insistence, the new international criminal court has no jurisdiction over any American.

    But a Canadian war crimes charge, too, would face many hurdles. Bush was furious last year when Belgians launched a war crimes suit in their country against him — so furious that Belgium not only backed down under U.S. threats but changed its law to prevent further recurrences.

    As well, according to a foreign affairs spokesperson, visiting heads of state are immune from prosecution when in Canada on official business. If Ottawa wanted to act, it would have to wait until Bush was out of office — or hope to catch him when he comes up here to fish.

    And, of course, Canada's government would have to want to act. War crimes prosecutions are political decisions that must be authorized by the federal attorney-general.

    Still, Prime Minister Paul Martin has staked out his strong opposition to war crimes. This was his focus in a September address to the U.N. General Assembly.

    There, Martin was talking specifically about war crimes committed by militiamen in far-off Sudan. But as my friends on the Star's editorial board noted in one of their strong defences of concerted international action against war crimes, the rule must be, "One law for all." "

    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1100517502971&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795
     
  2. Canada can be rest-assured that if it did that, the USA would declare war on Canada.

    And I don't think that would be a good thing.
     
  3. is this a serious article or just a parody?
     
  4. Id like to see them try
     
  5. What do we have to loose? Lets go for it.
     
  6. It is serious, but of course it wouldn't happen because the US would ramp up its illegal trade policies with us and we'd give him right back.
     
  7. im not sure let me get my superior to reply to this.
     
  8. Ignoring the rather flawed and skewed content of the editoral, the fact remains that if Canada tried to forcefully detain the U.S. president, then the U.S. would likely declare war on them.
     
  9. Whats left of our logging industry plus alot more... they would lose out alot too but it wouldn't compensate.
     
  10. The US will never declare war on Canada unless we get to a point where only our energy is left to take and we refuse to sell.
     
  11. attacking canada sounds like something a Bush would do. dont you all agree?
     
  12. We could take it if we really wanted, but for now we snap our fingers and you dance Bojangles.
     
  13. In reality, no, we do exercise leverage with US quite a bit. We do find it funny though, the US sense of omnipotence, so we don't say anything :p
     
  14. If a foreign country forcefully took the president into custody, the US would declare war regardless of who they were, as the act would clearly be an act of war against their country. Not going to war would likely result in our government being overthrown by the riotous population, which would in that case include myself.
     
  15. There would be a civil uprising but not much of one. Everyone is too self centered to risk their life, their cable TV or Domino's pizza for a President which isn't even very popular. Hell, there isn't even solidarity in most US families. Its a moot point anyways because no country would choose losing over half their economy just to have some trophy prisoner.
     
  16. Of course, criminals should be arrested.
     
  17. Who says we'll give it back?
     
  18. Really, they why do you #%[email protected]?
     
  19. Would that include you, crackhead?
     
  20. No, according to the visa that your goverment gave me last week to travel to New York in a few weeks, it wouldn't.
     
  21. "Hey, Bush, we are arresting you for war crimes, eh."

    "No you arent. Get away from me."

    "Ok, eh. Sorry."
     
  22. You're still a criminal, and by your own statement you should be arrested.
     
  23. if that happens, rest assured the United States will gain a few more states
     
  24. Keep dreaming.
    Your president is a war criminal and I'm not the only one saying that out of your hole.
     
  25. no you are just a stupid liberal minded fool whos view on everything is so skewed by what u think is right and not what is actually right
     

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