The BIG GIANT Israel vs. Lebanon/Palestine thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by IdoL, Jul 15, 2006.

  1. The local news just showed lots of footage taken by the IAF showing missle launchers and AA weapons hiding inside homes and shooting from civillian streets. The was also footage from hospital rooms containing lots of ammo and homes with 20mm guns hidden inside. Way to fight.
     
  2. comparison with iraq & palestine pics,

    this is the real Terrorism:
     
  3. god forbid you ever personally experience terrorism.
     
  4. #1029 Buhandi, Aug 2, 2006
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  5. he lives it
     
  6. I'm sorry but I can't tell which is the Isrealies and whish is the Palestenians.
     
  7. Wait, wait. You mean to tell me that you're shocked that Islamists warp the Muslim faith to suit their own wishes? Have you paid any attention at all to anything in the last 50 years?
     
  8. #1033 lambo963, Aug 2, 2006
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    i dont need to read anything, cuz its very simple.

    israelis came from all over the world & europe to invade palestine & now they are attacking lebanon & planing to attack syria. so we must defend our country & let them go to europe, from where they came from.

    USA invaded iraq as well for business, so we must defend iraq & send american soldiers to USA.

    thats the real terrorism.
     
  9. #1034 bucknutz, Aug 2, 2006
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    And of course, we all know how well Bush 41's Israel policies turned out...
     
  10. What Israel needs to do IMO is keeping slugging it out until the Hezbollah organization is destroyed and disarmed as much as possible. Despite the fact that the majority of world opinion wants an immediate cease-fire (world opinion hold basically no ground IMO anyway), such an option would only fan the flames as it would prevent the Israelis from cleaning out Hezbollah and instead giving them time to get more arms from Iran and Syria and continue their same old stuff. The only way to come close to solving this is for Hezbollah to be decisively routed and for Iran and Syria to be made to end support for radicalized organizations in the region.

    It's amazing how easily the world drinks down Islamic propaganda. Does nobody realize that Hezbollah - and groups similar to in in Iraq - deliberately put civilians in the line of fire to run up casualties and play the sympathy card?

    BTW, I'd wager that Iran provoked most of this. Hezbollah has long had times with the Iran going all the way back to shortly after the '79 revolution.
     
  11. Wow, thats deep
    you should be Hezbolla's spokesperson on Al Jazeera/Al Manar/Kos Omak TV
     
  12. Bush the Elder set the ground-work for Oslo, and was could have resulted in a final settlement.
     
  13. Anything could have resulted in a final settlement. Hell, the Palestineans are in a better strategic position now than they have been in the last 50 years. Are you going to give Dubya credit for that happening?
     
  14. A settlement can only happen with the US acting as a fair arbiter, something that was never going to happen under Bush Jr.

    Bush's talk of a Palestinian state is empty rhetoric.
     
  15. Ever heard of tragic accidents?
     
  16. attacking a whole country like iraq for business isn't a tragic accident.

    occupying a country & killing their ppl for 60 years isn't a tragic accident.

    Chris V (Brainwashed guy) said: "And point out when exactly the US invaded Iraq. Were you around for Iraq's invasion of Kuwait? Are you aware that that war never ended, and that we were only in a cease fire that Iraq constantly violated?"

    lol, & who is USA to interfere with kuwait & iraq!! USA is the police of the world?? they came to iraq for business, thats the only reason but cuz ur brainwahed from ur media, u wont believe this.

    USA always had a bloody history, they love to kill. count how many wars they did.
     
  17. Israel had already given up the Gaza Strip, with the backing of the US. If things hadn't gone the way they have in Gaza (because of actions by terrorists, not because of any actions by Israel), they would be likely looking to do the same thing with the West Bank. All of which without the US acting as some sort of mediator. Israel and the Palestineans are perfectly capable of holding their own negotiations.

    You avoided the question. I said that the Palestineans are in a better strategic position now than they have been since the formation of Israel. You blame Bush and the US for everything bad that has happened with Israel, even when there's no real connection between anything, so why is it that you do not give him credit for the strong position that the Palestineans are currently in?
     
  18. the best way to defend Iraq then is to blow up as many Iraqis on public markets as possible then?
     
  19. "israelis came from all over the world & europe to INVADE palestine & now they are attacking lebanon & planing to attack syria. so we must defend our country & let them go to europe, from where they came from."

    Do you really believe this?

    And point out when exactly the US invaded Iraq. Were you around for Iraq's invasion of Kuwait? Are you aware that that war never ended, and that we were only in a cease fire that Iraq constantly violated?
     
  20. Gaza was never the issue. Israel was always going to withdrawal completely. The issue is the West Bank, and Israel's late attempt to draw borders of its own liking there.

    What would it say of the Gazans if they sold out those in the West Bank for peace of their own?

    And seeing as how there is an approximately 0% chance of a settlement under Bush Jr, I fail to see how their strategic position is so much improved. The only thing that really matters to them is impossible to achaive under his watch.
     
  21. Attacking for business? You should be banned from discussing any further geopolitical matters on this site.
     
  22. Israel was always going to withdraw from Gaza, but not from the West Bank? They had strong settlements in both, but they withdrew from Gaza anyway. Why are you drawing a distinction?

    Considering that one of the reasons why Gaza was given back was because it had become relatively tame, refraining from carrying out terrorist attacks wouldn't exactly be selling out, would it? Now that they've gone back to their old ways in Gaza, Israel has stepped back in again. Maybe they'll eventually figure out that terrorism is less likely to get them what they want, not more likely.

    Bush has been constantly pushing for the road map to be followed. Israel has been following it somewhat (admittedly not to the T), but the Palestineans haven't followed it at all. Hell, Bush has even said that Israel needs to pull back to the 1949 lines and that there needs to be links between the West Bank and Gaza. Basically, he said that the Palestineans should get exactly what they want. And hell, the Israelis didn't even put up too much of a fight over it. Now, what kept derailing that process? Certainly not actions by Israelis - it was terrorist attacks that kept knocking it off track. If the Palestineans had quit the terrorism, they would have easily had their own state by now and it would have almost certainly included both Gaza and the West Bank in their entireties.
     
  23. You never heard of the UN?
     
  24. It's funny how liberals like to blame Bush for the deaths in Qana, but they didn't blame Clinton the last time when the death toll was higher.
     
  25. when clinton spied no one cried either
     

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