Top Speed

Discussion in '2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Preproduction' started by ryan8624, Jun 15, 2003.

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    "It was tested not long ago, it hit 238Mph, Bugatti are still aiming for 252Mph top speed. The test did not result in an estimate, it resulted in the equipment reading 238Mph top speed."

    1. Back in reality the Veyron 16/4 has not been tested in top speed nor has it been tested in 0-60.

    2. The 238 mph and the 252 mph speeds you speak of are false neither speeds have been acheived by anyone in the veyron 16/4, also the fact that Bugatti themselves to this day ARE still ESTIMATING top speed times (ie the 252mph and the 238mph numbers you spoke of) proves that the 16/4 has not been tested in either the topspeed or 0-60 category,



    3. "The test did not result in an estimate, it resulted in the equipment reading 238Mph top speed."

    I for one would love to know where you get these imaginable times for the veyron 16/4 from Live4Speed, I have researched over and over again and the only thing i have found on the 16/4 topspeed and 0-60 subjects are when Bugatti themselves ESTIMATED the times. Therefore no such time exists. Live4Speed i would love to be like you and be thick headed to the point where you consider an estimation a fact when it is far from a fact. However if you want to proceed to think this way go for it more power to you, i just dont see the point in spreading rumors.
     
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    No such times exist because you haven't seen them, is that how it works? That just shows your ignorance, the first I saw of the speed test was in an Autocar issue, there is a site with news of this test also and another site about the car being tested in Italy, my net connection is being a bugger recentley and only displays some pages but I'll post the link asap.
     
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    live4speed - how do u join sc.net clubs like the "Erratication of Annoying Members club"?
     
  4. Re: Real Specs for this car

    i want in that "Erratication of Annoying Members club" also.
     
  5. Re: Real Specs for this car

    umm, the F1 has a one up on the enzo an koenigsegg, any way neither of them could match the Verion (is that right?).
     
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    "No such times exist because you haven't seen them, is that how it works? That just shows your ignorance, the first I saw of the speed test was in an Autocar issue, there is a site with news of this test also and another site about the car being tested in Italy, my net connection is being a bugger recentley and only displays some pages but I'll post the link asap."

    These times you speak of are fake, Bugatti themselves does not condone them because no such time exists period. The only people to have said the topspeed and 0-60 times are either complete idiots or magazines which like Bugatti can only ESTIMATE the topspeed and 0-60.

    Live4Speed when you find the actual topspeed and 0-60 time that Bugatti themselves recorded i and others would love for you to post it in this thread, however since all your argument is based on is EStIMATIONS your hardly in a position to tell me im ignorant when you yourself consider estimations to be facts, which in itself is pointless.
     
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    You are ignorant, I keep telling you the car has been tested and hit 238Mph, it's been in a couple of magazine articles even. Me telling you this is not being ignorant, when I get the link I will post it here, until then I suggest look at a lot of car mags and maybe you'll spot the article.
     
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    Why don't we all stop complaining about whether or not this car has hit 252 mph and just wait for a legitimate car magazine to test a PRODUCTION version?
     
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    Really now, let's not debate as to whether or not the car will do it or not, because in all probability it will. By this spring we will konw for sure, so take it easy, jeez.

    In the latest Bugatti test, the test driver kissed a rail at something like 218 mph. This proved to be a test more for the carbon fibre tub than the power of the car. The test driver walked away from the crash site.
     
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    you know how we should settle this debate? steal cage death match, you guys can fight and who ever comes out alive was right.
     
  11. Re: Real Specs for this car

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    Or we could all just stop this pointless arguing, and wait and see.
    And you know what? Even if it has been tested, and hasnt hit the target of 252mph. It doesnt matter to me.
    Because a) I dont care what test results say anymore, because there are so many things affecting them, such as weather, driver, and they might even be payed off! What matters to me is what i think, and if i think it can reach that top speed, then it can, even though it has been able to in tests.
    and B) If you get any of these sorts of cars that go around this top speed, such as Koenigsegg, Bugatti, McLaren, Ferrar, Porsche, Pagani, it wopnt matter, just go for the car you like the most, not the one that can potentially go the fastest, because once you get a car that has the ability to go over 300kph, there is no point going any faster.

    Now all you freakin noobs, quit the arguing, and shut your mouths.
     
  13. #188 1970Chevelle454LS7, Feb 14, 2004
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    Re: Real Specs for this car

    "That 252 mph isn't quite ready for delivery, says a source close to the car's development. It's stable up to 200 mph, with its automatic rear-wing extension, but it needs some work above that. Nor is the complicated driveline ready: The engine's 920 pound-feet of torque are tearing up its transmission's gears, creating what one engineer calls "tooth salad." Michelin hasn't completed development of its critical PAX-system run-flat tires. But VW's Audi Group has the resources to solve these problems."

    thats quoted from motortrend and there are quotes in there from some bugatti engineer saying that it can't do it yet
    and heres the link to the article

    http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0312_fbug/index1.html

    and you two that were argueing
    neither of you really sound very intelligent
    you just keep saying the same things to eachother
    neither of you can prove anything really
    and its a pointless arguement
     
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    umm the only thing that has been proven is that Bugatti used a incredibly large and very lame engine to reach the 1001bhp mark when smaller engine which are more reliable can reach 1,000 and more with no problem, they have also been proven to last. Which may i add the Bugatti has not.


    I have been saying the same thing because Live4Speed and thick headed people like him can not comprehend a simple sentence.


    Thanks for the link by the way 1970Chevelle454LS7 it further proves what i have been saying.


    "The UK's Ricardo is engineering and building its four-wheel-drive system and twin-clutch seven-speed transaxle, which will take the new Bugatti to 155 mph in fourth gear, 193 in fifth, 224 in sixth, and a record-shattering 252 mph in seventh.

    That 252 mph isn't quite ready for delivery, says a source close to the car's development. It's stable up to 200 mph, with its automatic rear-wing extension, but it needs some work above that. Nor is the complicated driveline ready: The engine's 920 pound-feet of torque are tearing up its transmission's gears, creating what one engineer calls "tooth salad." Michelin hasn't completed development of its critical PAX-system run-flat tires. But VW's Audi Group has the resources to solve these problems."


    I find it very strange that they contradict themselves. First they say the following -

    "and a record-shattering 252 mph in seventh."

    Then they say this - "That 252 mph isn't quite ready for delivery, says a source close to the car's development. It's stable up to 200 mph, with its automatic rear-wing extension, but it needs some work above that." Thus telling us all that the car can barely handle speeds of close to 200mph, therefore it can not and has not reached the ESTIMATED 252 mph mark. Hence it is still in testing and it is still a PROTOTYPE because as the article said the following in that well written sentence - "

    "It's stable up to 200 mph, with its automatic rear-wing extension, but it needs some work above that."

    Also may i add the fact that while trying to acheive the ESTIMATED topspeed of the 16/4 the Veyron was so unstable at 218 mph that the driver put it into a rail thus stopping the top speed run, the driver was lucky he walked away from the 16/4 and didnt get killed doing something so foolish. Further proving that the 16/4 Veyron is indeed a PROTOTYPE and does indeed still have problems which need to be worked out. Also proving the fact that since the 16/4 Veyron is a PROTOTYPE it cannot be compared to a street legal production car like the 1994 Dauer 962 LM which might i add has beaten the Veyron in every aspect (handling, luxury, comfort, 0-60, topspeed) funny how a car from 1994 can beat a prototype veyron.
     
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    it cud proberly reach 250mph with 1001 bhp because it cud only lose a bit of power with a.w.d if they get the balancce right
     
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    "it cud proberly reach 250mph with 1001 bhp because it cud only lose a bit of power with a.w.d if they get the balancce right"

    Actually it cannot reach 252mph. The only way it could is if parts of the car were re-designed to provide more downforce at higher speeds, ie being that it is very unstable at 200mph as i have stated over and over again and as Motor Trend has stated in the above article provided by 1970Chevelle454LS7. However if they werent being foolish and dropped the pathetically slow w16 for a better engine (Porsche flat 6, Toyota I-6, Lamborghini v10, or bmw v12) it would be able to handle speeds upwards of 215 just like the Mclaren and many other cars can.
     
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    You can flame all you like, but I would trust EVO far more than Motor trend, it was in EVO they showed it's test, if I remeber the one where it hit the barrier was done a few months ago, towards the end of last year (November I think)and is old news. Also you keep calling the car a prototype, a protoype is a single working item based on the concept, there a a few Veyron's in current form built now, not just the one since the changes.
     
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    lol im not flaming im simply speaking the truth which you do not seem to care about. The bugatti 16/4 Veyron is considered a prototype period, not enough of them have been made for it to be called a production car therefore it is called a PROTOTYPE no matter if 2 or 3 of them were made for testing or not. The 16/4 never hit its estimated top speed of 252mph it only hit 218mph. Basically the 16/4 Veyron is so pathetically slow it doesnt deserve to be called anything but a prototype which is what it is. Being that you have not posted any form of proof on the 16/4 Live4speed you have nothing to say. I also remember EVO doing a article on the Dauer im amazed you did not read about it seeing as how you follow magazines so much.
     
  19. #194 944S, Feb 25, 2004
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    Yeah, Bugatti said a long time ago thery planned to limit the car, and if anyone wanted to try for a top speed run, VW would send engineers out and they would change the tyre's, de-restrict the engine rect and then put the limiter back afterwards.
     
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    Hmmm all of the above things that you listed Live4speed should tell anyone right away that the 16/4 is a slug, when tested it only hit 218mph as i stated before which you did not beleive, so why are you now contradicting yourself?

    For the 16/4 Veyron to be stable at speeds of above 218mph the body of the car would have to be almost totally re designed to provide maximum downforce at high speeds. A good idea for Bugatti to reach speeds of above 218 mph and keep the 16/4 stable would be to completely scrap the idea of using the pathetically large and slow w16 engine, in fact if they had used a I6, v10 or v12 they might have been able to come close to the top speed they had ESTIMATED.

    However being that the 16/4 was designed for show and it has not been put into production as of yet their is no point in talking about it.

    Cars which utilize a redicoulisly huge engine and need 4 turbos to reach 1001 bhp shouldnt exist.
     
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    Since when is 218 mph slow? Also, I'd hardly call the W16 pathetic as it does crank out 987 hp. That's far more power than any car most of us will ever drive. In fact, the most powerful car I've DRIVEN to date (though, not quite the quickest) was my friend's modified Mk4 Supra TT that puts out close to 400 hp at the wheels (probably in the neighborhood of 450 hp at the crank). Compared with the Veyron's output that's nothing, and the Supra still felt pretty damn quick to me.

    Also, the engine doesn't NEED 4 turbochargers to produce 1001 hp DIN (which is the 987 hp SAE noted above), it needs the turbochargers to produce that massive torque figure of 922 lb-ft. NO naturally aspirated 8-liter engine would produce anything close to that figure. Take for instance the Honda S2000 engine (yes, I hate that car, but it does have a good engine). It produces 152 lb-ft from 2.0 liters. If we could scale that up to 8-liters (which isn't entirely correct, but is close enough for comparison's sake), that's "only" 608 lb-ft. Plus, then you'd have the strain on the bottom end of an 8-liter engine trying to spin to 9000 rpm.

    I'm sick of people bashing the Veyron for the speed being limited to 218 mph (or 217 according to some magazines), or for using four turbos on an 8-liter engine, or whatever. Whether people like it or not, it is quite the marvel of engineering and power production (at least the drivetrain is). The Veyron isn't my favorite car by any stretch, but at least I can appreciate the engineering that went into its development. As soon as you all have degrees in mechanical engineering or automotive engineering, you'll understand. You still may not like the car, but you'll be able to at least appreciate the effort.
     
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    it is tested and confirmed
     
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    Dodge, you seem to have a problem reading, I said the car has hit over that in testing, just because Bugatti are planning to restrict the top speed for production models doesnt mean they can't drive it faster in testing. I really doubt that you are even old enough to work if you can't comprehend simple sentences, either that or your being a arrogant prick.
     
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    Have you not read any recent magazine articles on the reason why Bugatti limited the top speed to 218mph? Obviously not, had you done so you would have gathered that the top speed was limited to 218mph because the car spun out for lack of being too unstable, mind u the fact that it spun out on a straightaway and it has all wheel drive. LMAO. That in itself it pathetic.

    About the 16/4 Veyron being a marvel of engineering it isnt. If you want to talk about marvels of engineering why dont we speak of what BMW did in the early can am days of racing? They had a 1.5 litre 4 cylinder motor with anywhere from 1200-1500bhp depending on the boost level they chose from, it also had anywhere from 500-750lb ft of torque. However the car was banned because turbos were no longer allowed. Or we could speak of some of the older cars back in the 30's and 40's which manufacturer's were actually installing airplane engines in. I was watching a documentary on Jay Leno the other day he has one of these very cars amazingly enough the airplane engine that is in the very car Jay Leno drove on the show has 1,000lb ft of torque. Or i know we can speak of the 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 which had 738bhp in 1938, that in itself is a marvel of engineering

    I could continue debating with complete morons like Live4speed who have never seen a supercar let alone actually studied their engines in his life, but i will not as it is pointless to debate with a idiot.

    I am still waiting to see this so called proof of the 16/4 reaching 237mph which I asked you to show me proof of nearly 9 months ago Live4speed, but you have yet to do so. Now why is that???
     

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