viper gts vs vette z06 vs 911t vs 550marenello vs tvr cerbera 4.

Discussion in '2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06' started by pkripper, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. viper gts vs vette z06 vs 911t vs 550marenello vs tvr cerbera 4.5

    in a 100 lap race around laguna seca who would win in stock form??? all these cars do 0-60 in about 4secs. i guess its an issue of handling and durability <!-- Signature -->
     
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    Overall Id put my money on the Vette. Im pretty sure it would finish ahead of the 911 and 550 Marenello, cant be too sure about that Viper and Cerbera though. But the Vettes a safe bet either way <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    the vette would possibly get beaten in short sprints by the tvr i think the rest are covered though but in a 100 lap race they would need to pit for fuel and the viper may have to do it twice along with the ferrari the vette however has inredible gas mileage (better than the little porsche engine and the 550 could never stand a chance the vette beat the 360 at hockenhiem. the cerbera however would be fast unfortunately the folks over at tvr can't figure out the recipe to maximum traction(come on 420 hp and 2400 lbs only 4.1 secs to 60 the zo6 does better with 15 less horses and 800 lbs more weight.) so the vette would probably over come even the mighty tvr in the end as for the viper it would compete for the first 30 laps and then either pit or break (even motor trend or was it car and driver broke one in a test)so it would be gone the 911 has already been beaten by the zo6 in car and driver so that one was pretty easy.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    i think it would be a close race between the viper and the vette because they are the faster ones and can get in and out of the corners nicely.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    The Cerbera easily.

    By the way, does anyone know if the Z06 has been tested at the Nürburgring? And if so what laptime did it get? A very intressting comparision indeed.
     
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    i dont think it was.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I would have to say the Viper. It would be especially close between the Viper the Vette and the Porsche 911TT. The Cerbera can't handle at all, there is no way it would even come close. The 550 doesn't accelerate as well as these cars, even though it is fast. The Viper is quite a bit faster to 100 than the Corvette, so the real comparison would be between the Viper and 911TT. It would be very very close. I would say the Viper by a hair.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    The Corvette is faster than the 911TT around a track though, so it would be between the Corvette and Viper.
     
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    I think if it was beginner drivers it would be the vette. It is more than likely easier to drive than the viper.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. Re: viper gts vs vette z06

    the vette and the viper should take the other two outta the race and then race betwen the two.

    look at the topic i made.......thats who its really between.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    The 2001 Z06 beats the 2001 Viper ACR around the track a full 2 seconds with less cylinders less HP and less money!!! SO THE Z06 WOULD SMOKE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Yo moron! I think the Lotus Exige beat the Corvette and Viper around the Hockenheim SC!! With 4 less cylinders and less money!!!

    First the Z06 needs to be tested at Nürburgring, first then will I either appriciate or despise it....
     
  13. Re: viper gts vs vette z06 vs 911t vs 550marenello vs tvr cerber

    911TT would win.
     
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    Why the hell would the Nurburgring make a difference? Each track is different. Sure, the Exige beats the Corvette and Viper at Hockenheim. But it's slower than the regular Corvette and wimpy 411 DIN PS Viper at the Nurburgring. The Corvette (with run-flat tires!) was 2 seconds faster and the Viper was faster by more than half a minute. And even though that Viper was slower than the 550 Maranello by a few seconds, it was quicker at Hockenheim.
    Porsches are developed at the Nurburgring. Their suspensions are tuned for that track. Of course they're going to do well. A 996TT going up against a 550 Maranello at Fiorano might have more difficulty.
    Anyway, I'd give the Cerbera a few laps at most before things go seriously awry. The 550 and Viper would probably cook their brakes before the Z06 and 996 Turbo. And considering the results below, I'd say there's a good chance the Z06 would come out ahead for at least a few laps.
     
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    You are right. Cars do perform different at different circuits. I hade to take up Hockenheim and the Exige to shut up Gamer55.

    The Nürburgring, the most famous track in the world, 13 miles long with 70 + bends, is the ultimate test och man and machine. That's why I brought it up.

    I think it's very impressive for the 197 BHP Exige to keep up with the Corvette even though the Rings's long straights is clearly favouring the Corvette!


     
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    And how would you know that the Vette is faster than the 911TT. Do you have any hard evidence, or are you just saying that because the ZO6 is ur favorite car. If i recall, in road and tack's August issue, the article "get a grip" showed off seven of the worlds best cars with good handling. Nowhere in this article did i find a Corvette Z06 or a Dodge Viper. But guess what, a 911 Turbo was there. And it came in 3rd place behind a Ferrari 360 and a Lotus elise. Not bad for a car that weighs over 3600 lbs. If the Viper and Vette are so great at turning, then why weren't they in this particular test? I mean, it only featured the best handling cars in the world!
     
  17. #17 Gurra, Oct 21, 2002
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    you have a real chip on your shoulder dont you guibo? what is it with you and tvrs. anyway, back to the race.

    firstly, this is a very stupid comparison. the 550 is £160k, the 911t is £100k+, the viper is £70k and the zo6 and cerbera are about £50k at least in england. firstly, the 550 would probably get ass-whupped by the tvr and the zo6, dunno about the viper. secondly, give me evidence, guibo, of the tvrs lack of reliability. the 911 t would cream everything, so here's my order;

    1) 911t
    2) cerbera
    3) zo6
    4) maranello
    5) viper

    a westfield megabusa costs a lot less and would eat all of these cars for breakfast. so would the new noble M12 GTO 3T.

    Brit cars rule!
     
  19. #19 Guibo, Oct 21, 2002
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    Re: viper gts vs vette z06 vs 911t vs 550marenello vs tvr cerber

    Whoa, easy there fella. Take a step back and take a breath. Then pull from your library a couple of recent issues of Autocar. Specifically, these two issues:
    1) Britain's Best Driver's Car, wherein the Tamora dropped a valve.
    2) the 0-100-0 issue. Take a look in the letters section. Of all the cars they mention, why is it the Cerbera 4.5 that has been known to have its engine "let go"?

    Ah, but you seem to be a lazy chap. Can't be bothered to actually look up the thread I told you about, so here's a re-cap:
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=18941&f=6&h=0
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=18716&f=6&h=0

    And those are just the most recent ones. Last time I checked before that, there were about 15 owners whose engines have "let go". Some of them numerous times.

    And some others:
    "After a long time considering I've now decided against a Tuscan. Stories of serious problems with Speed Six engines will not go away. Despite claims of earlier problems with finger followers now being resolved, I keep hearing of engines having to go back to Blackpool after 5-10k miles for full rebuilds. This includes cars delivered late summer 01. Some dealers I have spoken to are now confirming the existence of around 250 returned engines awaiting attention at the factory. It's time for TVR to come clean - are there serious problems with this engine or not? Despite being a massive TVR fan, I'm not prepared to part with £40k plus if I can't get reasonable mileage out of the car...it's not enough to say don't worry if it goes bang, we'll fix it. I do know a number of dealers are very worried about this issue and are seriously considering resigning their franchises. Could this be the reason for so many disappearing over the last 12 months? If anybody can confirm or refute these engine problems I'd be interested to hear."

    "can confirm problems with s6 engine. mine being rebuilt for 2nd time in 12 months!! no explanations, no apologies, nothing. car in factory for 7 months so far out of 22 month life, all this for £45000! Considering legal action against TVR, anyone else in same boat?

    gene"

    "You will probably get the forum idiots who slag you off for mentioning anything bad about TVR, many of them probably never have owned one. You can only talk about your own experiences. My AJP8 Cerbera was off the road 6mths in 12mths and back to factory twice for engine work.
    Couldn`t wait to get rid of it."

    "The last time I heard a rumour about engines at the factory, from a reliable dealer source, there were 48 [!]awaiting repair. Also, my dealer tells me that the warranty on a Tamora S6 is 2 years - that reflects either faith in the engine, or a desire to ensure problems are addressed without too much customer pain. Is that so bad an attitude?"

    "My Tuscan is currently back to it's maker for a rebuild @ 2 1/2 momths old.
    The factory are very apologetic & helpful though....."

    "TVR: JUST BUY IN RELIABLE POWERFUL AMERICAN V8'S!!"

    And that's just from one thread:
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=3585&f=5&h=0

    Want more? Fine.
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=4814&f=6&h=0
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=2567&f=6&h=0
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=2261&f=13&h=0
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=400&f=6&h=0
    http://www.pistonheads.com/members/showCar.asp?carId=1148
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=3318&f=5&h=0
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=2776&f=5&h=0
    http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=8593&f=5&h=0


    Don't mistake facing reality with having a chip on my shoulder.
     
  20. Re: viper gts vs vette z06 vs 911t vs 550marenello vs tvr cerber

    you know your stuff. ive never encountered problems with tvrs, but hey, there obviously is a serious fault with them. i think top gear and suchforth are in cahoots with tvr, as they never mention bad reliability. soz. which engines are crappy?

    oh, and ive changed my moniker.

    LOTUS SEVEN REPLICAS RULE!
     
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    The worst of the lot seem to be the Tuscan (and Cerbera Speed 6) engines. These seem susceptible to issues with "finger followers", usually resulting in, at best, excessive cam wear (bad enough in many cases to warrant head overhauls) or complete valvetrain failure at worst. That's not including the usual piston ring seating/oil consumption problems.
    The 4.5 AJP8's not tend to make less power than claimed, but also suffer pretty horrific failure rates. The 4.2's tend to make the stated power, as rolling road days have shown.
    The Rover-derived V8's seem pretty solid. There's not much news yet with the brand new Tamora, but if the Autocar test and 2-3 known engine failures at pistonheads are any indication, TVR have a long way yet to go. 'Tis a pity. I quite look forward to their return to the States and it seems the quality control issues are the biggest hurdles, assuming they can meet crash and emissions requirements. I find their entire lineup quite appealing.
     
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    arse.

    anyway, back to the race. a tiger Z100 WR would whup all these cars arses for only £40k.
     
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    911 Turbo
    550
    Cerbera



    Corvette








    Viper
     
  24. Re: viper gts vs vette z06 vs 911t vs 550marenello vs tvr cerber

    It'd be a very close race but in the end it doesn't even matter cuz the 911 Turbo is going to win.
     

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