Viper SRT-10 takes a dump at the 'Ring

Discussion in 'American Cars' started by Guibo, Sep 24, 2004.

  1. You do know the CGT and Enzo's brakes are made not to fade, right?
     
  2. "Does anyone (besides Porsche996Turbo) in their right mind think an SRT-10 would be beaten (and in some cases, *significantly*) in various turns of the 'Ring by this?"


    Why do you ask that? Does that car seem more suited to the Ring on paper or something?

    Well anyway, I'm really hoping the SRT-10 is able to handle itself on the ring better than that. It should atleast be able to overtake the GTS on the Ring for christ sakes. (It wouldn't hurt for it to break into the 7 minute slot either.)
     
  3. I ask that because I don't see how a Golf 4Motion could beat the Viper through those turns. And by double digit speeds? An R32...maybe. On a very good day. Was wondering if anyone could explain this.

    Frankly, I'd be surprised if the SRT-10 could clock a sub 8-minute time. I would've expected a low 8 minute time due to (as I said earlier in the year) the SRT-10's crap choice of tires: runflats. Plus a possible disadvantage to the GTS coupe in terms of structural rigidity and aerodynamics (although the SRT-10's speed on the straights is a pretty good step up; not what one would expect with the hp advantage though). An 8:13 is slightly worse than expected, but the thing that really stands out are those dismal cornering speeds: they are worse than some sedans.


    Regarding brakes, the Viper's brakes have never been called into question for fading before. But then again, this is the Nurburgring, which is quite a bit different from other tracks. Looking at the braking zones, it does appear the Viper does only moderately well in the first 2 out of 3 braking zones, below the modern supercars. But in the final braking zone, it does exceptionally well. Here they are, in the order they are taken on the track (in m/s^2):


    Aremberg / Klostertal 2 / Schwalbenschwanz
    SRT-10: 8.3 / 9.4 / 10.2
    CGT: 9.4 / 9.8 / 9.5
    SLR: 9.5 / 10.1 / 9.7
    Zonda: 9.3 / 10.4 / 9.1
    360CS: 8.4 / 10.4 / 8.9


    It is strange that as the lap goes on, the Viper's braking seems to be the only one that consistently gets better all the way to the final braking point measured.
     
  4. What a disaster. That time is totally unacceptable and out of the ordinary for the SRT-10, considering that a 400-horse C6 Corvette did it in 7:56 and the Viper has outperformed the C6 by a good margin in every other test. Also consider a test by Automobile, where the Viper was within 2 seconds of a 360CS on a track and was quicker than a 911 GT3, which posted a 7:50 on the Ring.

    Those test results are so bad that you'd think they were rigged, although Sport Auto is a very credible magazine.
     
  5. Actually, the GT3 beat the SRT-10 by 1.2 seconds, with the 360CS beating the Viper by 2.5. But that was a track with ~1:45 lap times. If you extrapolate out to the Nurburgring's 8 minutes, the SRT-10's 8:13 is right about where it should be.
    That was a pretty tight track though, and Automobile mentioned it favors cars with shorter gearing (which also helps explain how the 360CS was 3 mph faster than the Viper on the longest straight). Still, in the turns, the SRT-10 measured identical L/R lateral g's with the GT3. Both were slightly better than the 360CS in that regard.


    This is from a Viper owner in Germany:
    "A fast lap on the Nürburgring needs a fast, flowing driving style. Simply better brakes and more horsepower do actually nothing good.
    Comments about the car were about like this :
    Not 100% translated but nothing changed...

    'Especially in the entrance of corners, in the moment between braking and again accelerating while steering into the corner, the Dodge is getting very instable.'

    Time killer on the track.

    'Unlike the closed GTS coupé, the SRT has to live with the problems of it's construction. The chassis shakes shortly, but distinct on bigger bumps.'

    The Ring is 1 big bump.

    'The amazingly hard setup is also a reason for the shaky overall impression of the car. On track parts with bad surfaces, the Viper even lost contact with the road!'

    'The bad setup makes the car go 'out of the springs' at very hard braking.'


    And don't forget another thing, the SRT was 1 second faster on the Hockenheim track then the GTS.
    This is a nice expample on how making a good setup worse, FOR THE RING."

    Hockenheim is a very flat track, braking is very important."
     
  6. It doenst make sense....and the only way I can think to explain the reason the Viper's brakes seem to get "better" is this...the driver was simply not beating the car until he figured out "damn, this thing can really stop." And with the Viper being the unforgiving car that it is, and difficult to drive at its limits. And possible lack of tha appropriate time to do multiple laps the car may not have been pushed to its limits early on...and as the lap wore on the driver figured out he could push harder, and stay on the gas further into turns...


    Anthony
     
  7. Well I went over to track-challenge.com, and the SRT-10's time at Hockenheim was actually somewhat impressive. What is it about the Ring that makes the Viper look like an oaf?
     
  8. " with shorter gearing (which also helps explain how the 360CS was 3 mph faster than the Viper on the longest straight). Still, in the turns, the SRT-10 measured identical L/R lateral g's with the GT3. Both were slightly better than the 360CS in that regard. This is from a Viper owner in Germany: "A fast lap on the Nürburgring needs a fast, flowing driving style. Simply better brakes and more horsepower do actually nothing good. Comments about the car were about like this : Not 100% translated but nothing changed... 'Especially in the entrance of corners, in the moment between braking and again accelerating while steering into the corner, the Dodge is getting very instable.' Time killer on the track. 'Unlike the closed GTS coupé, the SRT has to live with the problems of it's construction. The chassis shakes shortly, but distinct on bigger bumps.' The Ring is 1 big bump. 'The amazingly hard setup is also a reason for the shaky overall impression of the car. On track parts with bad surfaces, the Viper even lost contact with the road!' 'The bad setup makes the car go 'out of the springs' at very hard braking.' And don't forget another thing, the SRT was 1 second faster on the Hockenheim track then the GTS. This is a nice expample on how making a good setup worse, FOR THE RING." Hockenheim is a very flat track, braking is very important."
     
  9. Bad driver.
     

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