with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from japan

Discussion in '2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt GT' started by bitchinstang, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. if a mustang was to recieve the same level of upgrades as anything from japan the mustang would win. If im wrong then tell me a story but i have a feeling no one will have a story. at least an honest one
     
  2. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    u r so rite
     
  3. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    But that applies to anything, upgrades aren't whats truely important in a car, sure you could take a dodge neon and make it faster then anything in Japan or you could take a 300Z and put a hell-of-a-lot of money in it as well and make it faster then the Neon, it makes no difference what the car is if the person is willing to blow tens of thousands of dollars on a car it could be just as fast.
     
  4. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Subaru Impreza WRX STI, slightly faster than the Mustang SVT Cobra (2003). One is a Turbocharged 2.0 litre H4, the other is a Supercharged 4.6 litre V8, pretty much the same "upgrades", there are other examples, this is just one, and the funny part is the STI is a family sedan LOL <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> albeit a kick ass Family sedan.
     
  5. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Why modify them? There are already cars from Japan faster than the Mustang.

    How about A boost controller? Can you make 450HP in a Mustang from just a boost controller?
     
  6. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    No...but you can make 500hp from just adding a $40 super charger pully.
     
  7. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    I'm sorry....I must have missed the fact that Bullit Mustangs have superchargers....Oh wait....they don't......
     
  8. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Hmmm...I didn't know every single import had a turbo on it that can become a 450hp monster with only a BC...oh wait they don't...moron.
    I was talking about the 2003 cobra.
     
  9. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Well, "One who understand little of the physics of how his car works"

    He never mentioned the Cobra....he said the Mustang...not Cobra, not Bullit, not this not that.....

    So, if he wants to be more specific next time.....it might help....
    Though the N1 comes with more power from the factory than the Cobra anyway....
     
  10. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    OK, one who understands little of anything.

    You might also want to take that advice, being more specific.
    And again, who cars about the N1, nobody was talking about it at all, why bring it up? Should we all just bring up random cars in our post also?
    Though the ford GT comes with more power from factory then the N1 anyways...dumbass.
     
  11. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Really?

    Except they don`t come from the factory. It`s merely a concept car for now.....

    It`s also TWICE (at least) the cost of the N1 which has been on the market for ten years. It took ten years for Ford to come up with a car that costs twice as much and gives you 50 more HP? Too bad only the rich could afford it..........
     
  12. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    No, it's a production car (should start production very soon).
    I don't know much about the N1, but I'm guessing in the early 60's it didn't dominate Le Mans. The ford GT is a SUPERCAR.
    Give some info on the N1 (again I really have no clue as to what it is).
    "It took ten years for Ford to come up with a car that costs twice as much and gives you 50 more HP? Too bad only the rich could afford it.........."
    And you should know that cars aren't only about hp boredup...shame on you.
     
  13. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    The N1 was a variant of the GTR (all three recent variants) that was a race variant sold as a production model. In the power dept it had 450HP/417ftlbs, it weighed less than 3100 lbs, and had a number of suspension and stiffening modifications by Nismo. It was sold in varying trim levels from 42k USD to 50K USD.

    It completely dominated the N1 racing world (stock production car races) for 8 years. (It`s first five years won every single event, and placed 1st through 5th in every race save 2 in those five years). It was often used as base models for the cars in Bathurst where it also dominated the American V8 powered Holden`s until it was eventually outlawed due to it`s overpowering nature.

    And as you said, the Ford GT has not begun production yet. Until it does, its just another concept.

    By the way....the R390 was also produced as a street legal production car.....
     
  14. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    MORON!!!

    The STi for 2003 is getting 300 horsepower, and the Cobra has 390, BUT WAIT!!!!

    All wheel drive flywheel restriction is MUCH greater than a RWD drivetrain, so out of that 300 horsepower, only 65% of the power is actually making it to the wheels.

    Once again, American power kicks Japan right in the ass.
     
  15. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Well, looks like YOU'RE the MORON!!!

    The STI for for 2003 in NORTH AMERICA is getting 300hp. I'm referring to the current STI with 276hp and 263lbft torque.

    The AWD drivetrain on the STI is one of the most efficient AWD drivetrains available (technology comes straight from advancements made in the WRC), it only suffers 15-22% drivetrain hp loss, so in actuality, as much as 85% hp is making it to the tires, and as little as 78%, depending on what source you use. Meanwhile the Cobra is suffering from 15%-17% drivetrain hp loss (again, depending on what source you use), hardly enough to compensate for the benefits of AWD acceleration. The current STI also does 0-60 as quickly as 4.5 seconds, and acceleration that quick is no more difficult than getting the SVT Cobra to do it in 4.5, which is a rare feat for both cars.

    And then there's handling, the Cobra is VERY lacking (in comparison) in this department.

    Once again, American bravado gets kicked in the ass by the lack of knowledge of a superior design.


    Some advice - don't be such a shithead, ASSHOLE. And perhaps you should learn a little more about all the cars you're comparing.
     
  16. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    The Cobra is more likely between 14 and 15% drivetrain loss. A standard Mustang usually posts around 16-17% and it doesn't have an Aluminum flywheel and some of the other lightened goodies the Cobra has.


    Regardless....stating a 35% drivetrain loss on an AWD Subaru is moronic. Even the older models usually only suffered from about 22%. The GTR's system when fully engaged is stated by Nissan to be 18.3%, and 17.1 when not engaged. Somehow that doesn't appear to be a big difference to me.......
     
  17. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Well, I basically looked at the RWHP dyno's of numerous Stock Cobra's, and divided the difference by the factory rated flywheel hp(390), which gave me the percent loss, 15% was the lowest, 17% was the highest, most were around 16.3 or so, but whatever, the point was that (as you said) the AWD Impreza WRX STI loses little more power on it's drivetrain than the Mustang SVT Cobra, definitely not enough to make much of a difference for the advantage of AWD.

    It's moronic people like him that would have the world believe that a lighter, AWD car, can't accelerate as fast as a heavier RWD car with more power, power isn't everything Camaro guy (or whatever your name is), get off your sister and realize that a whole lotta power on a really heavy vehicle is NOT going to make it go faster, if that were true, then a school bus should accelerate faster than a Ford Escort, well guess what? Despite being one of the slowest cars in its class, even an Escort is faster than a school bus....numbnuts.
     
  18. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Well, I basically looked at the RWHP dyno's of numerous Stock Cobra's, and divided the difference by the factory rated flywheel hp(390), which gave me the percent loss, 15% was the lowest, 17% was the highest, most were around 16.3 or so, but whatever, the point was that (as you said) the AWD Impreza WRX STI loses little more power on it's drivetrain than the Mustang SVT Cobra, definitely not enough to make much of a difference for the advantage of AWD.

    It's moronic people like him that would have the world believe that a lighter, AWD car, can't accelerate as fast as a heavier RWD car with more power, power isn't everything SLP CamaroSS, get off your sister and realize that a whole lotta power on a really heavy vehicle is NOT going to make it go faster, if that were true, then a school bus should accelerate faster than a Chevy Cavalier, well guess what? Despite being one of the slowest cars in its class, even a cavalier is faster than a school bus....numbnuts.
     
  19. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    BTW, did you not notice that in the post you're responding to I said 2.0 litre H4, meanwhile the 2003 STI has a 2.5 litre H4, hmmm...how moronic to not notice the difference LOL <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    Let me straighten this out for your puny little mind:

    Current STI, made from 1996 - 2002, 276hp, 263lbft torque, 2.0 litre H4 engine.

    New STI, to be made for 2003, 300hp, 300lbft torque, 2.5 litre H4 engine.


    See the difference???


    American "power" doesn't kick anything
     
  20. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    im sorry to butt in but u know the comon saying "no replacment for displacment"? i think i have a replacment......... its called a lilttle thing call'd rev's now i will admit i dont know a whole lot about either of these cares except the fact that a friend of mine has a V-6 mustang and another a camraro SS with about 400hp (dont ask bout mod's i dont have a clue). and i also know a guy (ryan defiano) who has a mitsubish eclipse with a 4500 dollar engine rebuild, turbo, intercooler, blow off, and sopposdley newly add'd nitrious. now of course your gonna say look how much money ryan spent over brain (SS guy) but actually brain said hes put alot of money into his SS either hes lying and american cars are easy to supe up or it takes money to supe up domestics also. but back to my point im going to run u threw a drag i witness'd from wesleys car (6'er mustang) stacy (SS guys now ex g/f) drops' her hand and both cars squeal off the line "dang brains killing ryan... oh scott i told u imports suck" another tire blat "oh shit wes, ryan just pass'd brain.... brain may catch him again that eclipse gets lag in 3rd gear, oh damn i guess that higher redline let him pull more in lower gears" "yea but i bet ryan's got ure daddy" "i know he does my 325 only has 247hp"

    ok i bet half of the people reading this are prolly saying.how in the hell is ravs a replacemtn for displacment that really doesn't make sense i just needed a catch prasre but my point is dont always rag imports cause it cost more money to make them fast. and yes stock domestics ussalyy have more hp, but thats why the great world we live in has BS's turbo's and headers right?


    P.S. i relized my post makes no sense but im gonna post anyways cause of the cool drag thing
     
  21. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Subaru?DEcent cars but I'd rather have a Quattro Sport.
     
  22. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Subaru's suck, they always have, and they always will!
     
  23. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    hummm...i have yet to see any stats that have the sti faster than the cobra...im looking at a car and driver mag right now and here are the stats.....0-60 4.6 secs for both...1/4 time 12.9 for the cobra....13.2 for the sti. So where are u getting your info...
     
  24. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Anything and everything can beat any Jap-Crap car. Dont matter if it is an American musclecar or a lightweight European car. i dont kno y ppl put $10,000 to make a car hav a gay buzz, and 2 make the car go a big 5 mph faster.
     
  25. Re: with the same upgrades a mustang could beat anything from ja

    Z06, R34N1

    The N1 has more power, more torque, on demand AWD and less weight.....all for the same price.

    Educate yourself.
     

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