2012 Nissan GT-R: 530HP, 7.20 Ring Time

Discussion in 'Asian Forums' started by thebarron1989, Oct 18, 2010.

  1. I never said GT-R is NOT masterpiece. I was always referred about power, and C/D early mule's power as well. I surely overstated blaming the record mule about power, I know it, but the C/D car was useless to justify something unjustifiable.

    The other facts were concerning some very old threads, I rememebr few of them, one was regarding Euro spec F40, he claimed it was slower than a fleet of cars. Insisting referring tests of Ford GT, Saleen, CGT, favourable tests trying to conclude, when in real world the F40 run at the side of to Enzo into speeds from 60-130 mph, also confirmed by owners.

    Or, the Zonda's 0-170 star tour, a very fast uncorrected 160-170 time printed by a UK mag, valid for him to prove, but later unconfirmed by any F version, ClubSport or CGT as performance. Surely faster cars (when the 120-130 C/D time was uncorrect he was quick to learn it referring it to GT-R <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> ).

    The F1 XP4 fitted with a weak engine, simply unconfirmed by the older F1 site. The history said that it was the car fitted with the definitive 627 PS engine. And so on. It was well known but, arguing again.

    Like well known is the insistence giving not you any hope or alternative if your are no collimating with its theories.

    Recently he point out something like high powerful engines concerning press 599 GTB or 458 tested by Italian magazines, after Harris case, but unconfirmed by the 599GTO performance and the 458 dynoed. I agreed concerning what other Harris said.

    Coming back to C/D GT-R's case, it was arguing for long cause of nothing really to prove and compare with it because tested so particular, concerning altitude, conditions.. and so on. Anyway was well visible it was a fast car tested, really behind this particular condition.

    Correction factor was his weapon of defense, enough to legitimately conclude something about that car, to slow it and gave a sense, irreversible theory cause of the renowned of the mag.

    Now that the correction factor is declining sense because of the newer GT-R tested in exactly the same condition what do we do with that C/D 485 hp test mule theory so close to claimed?

    Anyway he is a great guy. Available in sharing scans. A great source in some cases.
     
  2. The only one way to really estimate a power figure in the same car is compare high in gear acceleration considering, as Guibo always said the variable for conditions. Anyway slight different conditions may slightly vary performances except to opposite poles.

    As for the tests I'm referring we are in front of these 100-110 and 110-120 mph data (4th gear, from around 5700 to 6300 then 6300 to 6800 rpms):

    R/T 2013 GT-R 545hp
    100-110 1.5
    110-120 1.6

    R/T 2009 GT-R 480hp* (tested in slightly different conditions, elevation 350 ft)
    100-110 1.9
    110-120 2.2

    C/D mule GT-R
    100-110 1.6
    110-120 1.8

    The average is within 523-529 hp behind their claimed data. The mule should be really an estimate 525 hp car. A figure often seen on some GT-Rs here in Europe out of customer cars, but how about the weaker cars? According with dragtimes database some customers cars seems to be closer to its data, some others seems far. What I really don't get in all this period is why slow customers Ferraris compared to factory press cars are to be considered a cheat, then no one customers GT-R seems to be able to perform as the same of their early 2009 mule, a lot of customers GT-Rs seems to been slower, than why conclude that with only customers Ferraris are slow? To me every mnf have their skeletons behind the cabinets, but I was snubbed here and germancarforum thread arguing about it. All you can hold your position, laughing and teasing but things come out sooner or later.

    An important thing to consider is that bigger japan factories as Nissan is, not as Ferrari factory, has more worldwide channels to satisfy sending more cars to press, dealers, also tests drive, this means sending a much more variable of settings behind the press fleet and that is way far from sending just few cars with particularly effective setting. Nissan has the possibility to send press cars without necessary sending mules, Ferrari has just few factory press cars that are the same as development units. It's much more simple to point out and blame in this last case than testing press cars with specs much closer to customers cars. It would be different also for Nissan if according with factory's choice had spread to the press much more development/mule cars than press/customers cars, the C/D mule is an example. Why was it particulary fast for over 4 years?
    This is not a blame or a justification that record mules are powerful, or record made with cars out of spec, absolutely not, but it's everywhere we talk about something choice, built or setted with particular care by the factory.
    Lap times repetibility could be also fulfilled or falsified behind facts like these. You can apply this to every mnf. I do not deny if some Ferrari's Vairano lap times may not been repeatable with a customer car but also explain why there were some important seconds between GT-Rs at Buttonwillow track. A portion of that 4.2 seconds of difference could be due to the spec between both GT-Rs. With the same nature of consideration referring N'Ring lap times repeatibility, my own old opinion was related to every kind of variable but also to the car choice. This was my first legitimately consideration because no one could deny that the car could be itself a variable.
    To me claimed a car behind an extreme lap time limit makes no sense because being me in the owner condition I will never know if my own car would be able to repeat it. I cannot conclude like Guibo had concluded, HvS did 7.38 with just few attempts so according with all the considerations the 7.26 should be surely repeatable because only God is able know that. My own car could be able to repeat it with the same probability that it can't - It's all.
     
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