Re: Americans are sometimes...(Part II)

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by MAB062183, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Amcarfan I see you haven’t gotten any smarter.

    A) The malfunction in the Viper was on the road/track, the Ferrari was in testing. If you can’t see a difference leave, you don’t belong here.

    B) Leave that other forum where it is but for the sake of responding, someone else brought up the Veyron, and I responded.

    C) The Viper isn’t faster. Do you need to re-read all this shit or something?

    D) Like in the other posts, you bring up the Exotic vs. Sports car bullshit. Listen carefully kid, exotic status is given based on the way it is produced, not on how it performs. That is a terrible argument.

    By the way, if I were to black out all the info that is my own I would only be accused of scanning some bullshit sheet of paper. So what is the point? Besides how I earn a living has nothing to do with this argument. I responded to the claims that Vipers top Ferraris with proof and showed that in many ways even Ferrari’s lesser performers win. Now that the momentum has shifted in my favour the personal game is starting. This argument was over pages ago. And don’t talk patriotism because that is all that is keeping you guys on this forum, it sure isn’t facts.
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    also, you haven't rebuted a single argument, but have only rehashed previous arguments! come on man!
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    And about that proof that you posted... I only see one scan of an article, some cross referencing from 2 different mags with faster times for a 360 from one, and slow times for a Viper from the other( If you look what each mag has for both cars the Viper wins in both mags) and a bunch of derrogatory statments about the Viper and forum users. Your right, this arguement was over a long time ago. You love bringing up Patriotism, because you are the most Patriotic of them all. YOU are defending the car you love, and tragically try to down the Viper with snoot comments like, "Viper is poor build quality" or "They need to put a huge crappy truck engine in it so it can compete, if it can!" </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Amen and thanks for saving me the time... <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  3. Ok, one thing gasoline-ass...

    What makes you think the Modena is faster? In anything? In no acceleration aspect is the Modena faster than the Viper. NONE! 0-60, both best times at 3.9. Anything after 60 the Modena gets DESTROYED.

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  4. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from gsolinas</i>
    <b>The fuel economy figures were 13.0 for the F50 and GTS-R, and 13.8 for the GTS.

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    That's your problem gsolinas: you're unwilling to examine tests in close detail. And the "4" refers to ESTIMATED fuel economy. They never freakin' tested it. You'll note that "4" does not appear after the 360 Modena Spider's 10.8 mpg rating. 10.8?! The engine is not even half the size of the Viper. Why does it get 2 FEWER mpg than the Viper? With all of that wonderful Italian engineering, shouldn't it be BETTER than the Viper's?

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    <b>We all saw R&T award the first prize to the Modena so stop trying to take away from it.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    We all saw R&T award the first prize to the Modena WHEN TESTED INDEPENDENT OF OTHER CARS. But what happens when the Modena is tested against a Z06, at the very same test venue, with the very same driver, on the very same day? It gets beaten by the Z06 by 6 feet. Even the Cobra R and 996 Turbo stopped quicker. The ABS-less Viper is only 4 feet behind the Modena.
    And the '02 Z06 gets revised front brake pads, and stops from 60 in only 104 feet, beating even that old Z06 by 7 feet.

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    <b>As for the 8.8 liter. Read the following post where the GTS was compared to the Z06. I’ll admit it didn’t sound right but it is right there.
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    Again, that illustrates your unwillingness to examine the numbers presented before you. All you do is take it at face value. 8.8 liters? Didn't that set off any bells in your head? Christ, not even the '03 Viper is that large.

    Speaking of which, your statement that the Gen II Viper engine is larger than the Gen I Viper engine is still false.
     
  5. Ah! I just saw your post on Page 4 with the forms I requested. Only problem is, they're not what I requested. I requested FORMS, not IMPORTATION GUIDELINES. And I wanted them over one and a half MONTHS ago. Funny thing is, with your "evidence", I too am a Canadian importer. Just look below, and cross-reference them with your 2nd pic. Bwahahahahaha!!!!


    Only problem is: I'm not a Canadian importer. And neither are you, it seems. Fraud.
     
  6. Who ever said the Ferraris are supposed to be dragsters. Be realistic moron, before they even hit 60 they could be hitting lights, turns, etc. Steaming by? You need help with math. 6 one hundredths of a second are immeasurable without a stop watch.

    Posting pictures of your dad with his finger in the air hardly proves anything.

    I’m immature? My prove it post was simply me imitating guibo. And where the hell is the proof that it is faster? Are you referring to the 0.06 second quarter mile gap? WOW!
    Look at the other numbers too.

    Ferrari has an 550 GT made for competition.The F60 caught fire from what I understand because they were testing it. But I haven’t read the article yet.


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  7. There it is assholes. Still think I’m pulling numbers out of my ass? Wouldn’t be the first time you were way off. Some impressive times huh? I can totally see how it would “steam” by a Ferrari 360. Oh well. Guibo throw in the towel already, its over. Better luck with the next doubter. Remember that with gsolinas you are 0 for 1. Take it as a learning experience.
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  8. Despite your “immense automotive” background and loyal following of stupidity, you were proven wrong here. The Ferrari in terms of performance is the better car no matter how hard you deny it. Like I said, take it as a learning experience.
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  9. OMG! LOL, this is great. I am not even going to comment on gsolinas posts, because Guibo does a great job of it and I love reading him shoot gsolinas down. Seriously gsolinas, its ok. Take it and leave it. In no way have you been right about anything. Guibo knows far more than you ever will. Its also proven because you also have multiple accounts to agree with you, LOL!<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. Sorry man but that has been explained already and he and others have tried on many occasions to convince me (and yourselves) that the Viper is an all around better car. That post from R&T clearly indicated otherwise since we have all (including Guibo) seen the 360 hit better times despite being less of a performer than some other Ferraris. For a guy who knew so much he even claimed that he didn't think R&T had ever tested the ACR claiming I was bullshitting those results. Sorry guys, you were wrong. Game, set, match. Enough said.
    Remember, not liking what I have to say doesn't make it wrong.
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  11. Dude, despite what you think, this is hardly over. I'm waiting for Guibo's next post...hehe...good luck! (you're gonna need it)<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. Guibo u take this way 2 seriously get over it. ur entire life dosen't have to be devoted to this website. go on, get outside do some sport or sumthin. the fact that u have put over 5000 posts on this site is amazing and proves u have no real life so mate, get a new one!
     
  13. Thanks for the support, guys.

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    <b>Guibo u take this way 2 seriously get over it. ur entire life dosen't have to be devoted to this website. go on, get outside do some sport or sumthin.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Moron, I do have a life. In fact, I was just out today at Laguna Seca watching the Green Flag Racing club. Here are some pics.
    And if I'm not here much this weekend, you should know I'm out mountain biking.
    So shut the fvck up and take a hike.
     
  14. gsolinas:
    Interesting spec sheet. Also interesting what they say about that Viper:
    "Other Vipers have reached 60 mph more quickly than this car..."

    See? Even they admit that was a slow specimen. Care to discuss the slowest time for a 360 Modena? How does 13.0 in the quarter sound to you? 4.7 to 60? LOL. Like I've said, let's see how many 3.9-sec 0-60 runs the 360 has done. I'll bet that number can be counted...with one finger.

    Interesting also the test conditions. 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Over one THOUSAND feet above sea level. Even with those conditions, it was still quicker than the 360 Modena they tested (in Italy, even). Take a look below. 2 tenths slower in the quarter mile, compared to the ACR.
    And in case you can't figure it out, the car that loses in a quarter mile drag race by "only 6 thousandths" IS STILL THE LOSER. To speak of nothing of that huge 0-1 mile gap between these two cars. And that was the one of the quickest 360 Modenas tested against the SLOWEST Viper ever tested by MT in a comparo.
     
  15. See, jackass? 189 mph for the 360 Modena is only an ESTIMATE. "Get some back issues", LOL.
     
  16. See, jackass? The 189 mph top speed often quoted (and by this site) is merely an estimate. "Get some back issues"...LOL.

    So now you have a scanner, huh? Scan for me a blank HS_ form. Or any other piece of evidence indicating that you're an importer.
     
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    <b>Ferrari has an 550 GT made for competition.The F60 caught fire from what I understand because they were testing it. But I haven’t read the article yet.


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    Wow! They do, I just visited a site that had the pole info on the next ALMS race. Some private owner entered one into the race. It seems to be behind the GT class racers(911 GT3's) in the pole. Well good luck to that team, they'll need it racing those C5-R's!!

    As about the F60, hurry up and read the article, only info I have is a paragraph from R&T.

    Still waiting on the explanation to why people should believe everything we post is false, and everything you post is true...

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  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from gsolinas</i>
    <b>By the way, if I were to black out all the info that is my own I would only be accused of scanning some bullshit sheet of paper. So what is the point? Besides how I earn a living has nothing to do with this argument. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    EXACTLY! So why even bring up the fact/myth that you're an importer of exotic automobiles? You could be goddamn Luca di Montezemolo, and it STILL wouldn't change the fact that the 360 Modena is squashed by the Viper, and the 550 barely fares any better. It takes a half-million Ferrari, stripped of luxuries and amenities to put any meaningful distance on the Viper. And even that one doesn't brake as well as the "little Ferrari", nor does it brake as well as the "little Viper" by C&D's stats.
    Face it, you brought up that point about you being an importer just so you could sound like an authority. You obviously have a scanner or access to one, so why not scan the forms now? Why do we have to wait until summer? So you can get the forms from your father or uncle or whomever who might actually BE IN the business?
     
  19. #69 deuginthesky, Aug 9, 2002
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    Guibo ,

    I've posted on this forum because of the times you've posted on your article scan.

    http://www.supercars.net/Pic?s=6&y=2000&m=Dodge%20Hennessey&o=Viper%20Venom%20800TT&t=339&msg=41&pn=a.jpg

    I know that my post about the 360 Modena top speed goes in your way , yes it's slower than what some Vipers have done.I've never tried to say the opposite.
    The questions are : Is the Monthlery track to old to pudh the 360 Modena more ? Did L'auto-Journal test the real top speed of the Modena ? Or is it the 360 Modena max top speed ?
    I don't have the answer.
     
  20. Since apparently someone missed the final score in the June R&T. Here it is.
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  21. Find a post where I said the Viper is no competition for the Ferrari. Though I said and believe that overall the Ferraris mentioned are better certainly they are comparable. Stop putting words in my mouth. And again I think it is an underachievement because of its massive engine. Price has far less influence on performance than engines do. The prices reflect per unit cost of production, not 0-60s and slaloms (though I‘m sure that is also taken into consideration the bulk of the price tag is influenced by what it costs to make the car).
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  22. So what about a V10 Dodge Ram truck vs a Dodge Viper. Same engine dimensions. Same price? Nope. Same performance? Nope.
     
  23. And since when does having a big V10 mounted up front HELP in slalom, acceleration, and braking?
     
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    <b>Find a post where I said the Viper is no competition for the Ferrari. Though I said and believe that overall the Ferraris mentioned are better certainly they are comparable. Stop putting words in my mouth. And again I think it is an underachievement because of its massive engine. Price has far less influence on performance than engines do. The prices reflect per unit cost of production, not 0-60s and slaloms (though I‘m sure that is also taken into consideration the bulk of the price tag is influenced by what it costs to make the car).
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    Ferrari's probably are better. Theres 100,000 dollars more put into the Ferrari, and thats the cheapest one. But performance wise? The Ferrari simply doesn't achieve better performance than the Viper. Only the F40 and F50 do, and they are half million dollar Ferrari's.

    So, maybe they are better, but they certainly aren't faster or even perform better. Its ok you find it hard to believe a 70,000 car can outperform the Ferrari's, if I liked Ferrari's more, I would probably make myself sound like a total idiot and deny it myself like you are doing.

    Why is it an underachievement because of its massive engine? I know, lets put a 4 liter engine in the Viper, and give up 200 ft/lbs torque, and have an 8000 rpm redline! Who needs torque anyway?!? Face it, the engine size is the only thing you can blab about how the Viper might be an underachiever, and even that isn't a valid argument. Give up, you lost this argument, Ferrari's simply don't perform/accelerate as good as the Viper.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. What The #$%# already! How many posts do you have to see where the Ferraris do outperform Vipers to finally admit it. Do you actually read the tests. There have been plenty of opportunities for you guys to see where the Ferrari outdoes the Viper in performance. Your refusal to admit this is starting to get old.

    The F40 can be found for $200,000 USD so don’t talk to me about prices.

    Guibo if you need someone else to tell you that a truck has a totally different purpose than a sports car get the #$%# off the site because this isn’t the first time you’ve brought up pick up trucks. And obviously that big V10 didn’t help much since it (the Viper) managed to stop in 156 feet.

    And engine size is my only argument? Keep crying about price hypocrite. Fact is I posted some tests on both cars that did prove what I was saying.
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