American Car Fans- READ

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by SeansVette, Sep 10, 2002.

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    I would never have confused a Corvette with an Rx-7 because the Rx-7 is considerably smaller. When I first seen one in person though it also struck me that it had the profile of a Viper. What a Viper might look like if it were miniaturized.
     
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    Nor would I, but I do know people who have.
     
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    I know it was said awhile ago, but to the kid spoutin off his mouth about the skyline, the 2003 Mustang Cobra is the worlds fastest car under $55,000 according to the guinness book of world records. THE END. Its done with. And you just must be ignorant cause on this site it says 0-60 in 5.2 seconds and the quarter in 13.7. how is that faster than the cobras 0-60 in 4.5 and the quarter in 12.5??? Ill never understand your logic. LONG LIVE THE MUSCLE CAR!
     
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    Well, first of all, I wouldn't exactly trust this site's acceleration times, there are versions of the Skyline that are quicker than that, and there are a number of cars that have proven acceleration times slower, or faster than those listed on this site.

    Second, the guinness book must apply only to North America, as there are faster cars that were not available in North America at the time of production of that book (which I assume is pre-2003) for under $55,000, 2 of which are well known examples: the EVO VII, and the Impreza WRX STi (Type-Ra to avoid any arguments as to whether the STi is actually faster) are both faster than the Cobra's 0-60 of 4.6, and 1/4 of 12.9 (I dunno where you got these figures of 4.5 and 12.5 from, but they're wrong). Not to mention various Caterhams, Campagna T-Rex (though I dunno how much that costs, so it may not apply), various Loti, and several others.

    Also, don't forget, according to the 1989 Guinness book, the Lamborghini Countasche was the fastest car in the world at 202.5 mph, which was inaccurate, as there were a number of production cars at the time that were faster, such as the 1987 Ferrari GTO.
     
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    But you have to understand....the EVO's are not topspeed cars either...the Cobra R can run over 155mph...it's faster in all the categories is what I thin he's trying to get at.
     
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    Oh, if it's in reference to an average of all areas of speed then perhaps that guinness book is correct (I don't know for sure), both the EVO and STI have a factory top speed above 159 (I know they've both been tested to that speed), though I expect the SVT Cobra would have a higher top speed.
     
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    The EVO VII is a rally car same as the STi and i drove the two which are in the states. On street tires the STi ran a 4.98 0-60 on my G-tech pro meter. the EVO VIII (cause they dont have the seven in N.A.) ran a 0-60 in 5.02 on the G-tech. The numbers for the cobra are completely acurate because i did them twice in denver at bandimere and i got 4.53, and 4.61 0-60 times and for the quarter timed runs i did i got 12.63, and 12.57. i can even send you the print out sheets from the strip if ya want. The EVO and STi had stock tires, and my completely stock 03 cobra on 91 octane pump gas had BFG G-Force TA tires. Went i mentioned the Guinness book of world records, it said the cobra was the worlds fastest PRODUCTION car under $55,000. by PRODUCTION, it means more than 1000 units produced for more than a year. This would exclude rare exotics and kit cars because those arent prebuilt and are generally limited production runs.
     
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    Whatever you say, I'll trust a number of professional drivers who actually know what they are doing and are using accurate forms of measurement over you.

    BTW - the EVOVIII is slower than the EVO V, VI, and VII, and which are all capable of 0-100km/h times of 4.4, and 1/4's of 12.4 - 12.6. And the old STi is capable of 0-100km/h of 4.5 (type RA capable of 4.3), though the New STi is only capable of 4.6 (even though it has more power, it also weighs more than the old STi), and 1/4 of 12.6.

    Now, I haven't seen a 1/4 time from the SVT Cobra that's faster than 12.8, at least not any that were from a reliable source (fastest from MM&FF that I've seen was 12.6, and that's hardly a reliable source), sure show me the print out sheets, along with every spec on the car, and actual evidence that it's not modified (read: it must have a stock supercharger pulley), dude, just remember the thing back in 1988 with Guinness, it's hardly an accurate source either, not everybody registers everything.

    So just because it's a Mainstream car, means the other cars that are faster don't qualify? Ok, so you're saying that EXCEPT for all the cars that are available in limited quantities, and those that are faster, within the same price range, and except for cars NOT sold in North America, the SVT Cobra is the fastest, wow, what a feat.
     
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    "Whatever you say, I'll trust a number of professional drivers who actually know what they are doing and are using accurate forms of measurement over you."

    As will I. I agree that it's highly unlikely that a 2003 Cobra will run mid 12s; however, that's just as unlikely as a stock Evo or STi would.

    "BTW - the EVOVIII is slower than the EVO V, VI, and VII, and which are all capable of 0-100km/h times of 4.4, and 1/4's of 12.4 - 12.6. And the old STi is capable of 0-100km/h of 4.5 (type RA capable of 4.3), though the New STi is only capable of 4.6 (even though it has more power, it also weighs more than the old STi), and 1/4 of 12.6."

    Can you please provide some links to back your claims? Out of all the road tests that I've seen for the Evo and STi (new and old), I have to say that both cars running in the mid 12s is a far cry from what I've seen. The Porsche 911 Turbo and 2002+ Corvette Z06 run in the mid 12s and both are out of the Evo and STi's league in acceleration. Perhaps there may be faster times recorded, but the fastest times I've EVER seen for a stock Evo show 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 12.9 seconds. I know there is an Evo RS in Japan, which is lighter than the GSRs, yet not even the RS posts the numbers you suggest (from what I've seen). If you'd care to open up to page 150 of the October issue of MotorTrend, they test a modified HKS Evo VIII, which had more than 50bhp at the wheels over a stock Evo VIII. The HKS Evo flew through the 1/4 mile in 12.8 seconds at 109.33mph. Import Tuner tested a 2003 STi in their September 2003 issue. Their stock STi pushed 249.5 horsepower at the wheels on the dyno and they took it on the track against a Corvette (they do not specify whether it was a Z06 or not) and the STi was beaten by 7 seconds. According to IT's account, the track had many high speed straights yet had twisty turns towards the end. After IT's test at the track, they took it to a drag strip and got a best run of 13.3@101.5mph (most of the runs were in the mid 13s). Anyway, here is Car and Driver's road test for both the Evo VIII and STi and they both surprisingly suffer from a 5-60mph street start:

    Car and Driver (June 2003 p. 46):
    Evo:
    0-60: 5.0 sec
    5-60: 6.7 sec
    1/4 Mile: 13.6@101mph

    STi:
    0-60: 4.6 sec
    5-60: 5.8 sec
    1/4 Mile: 13.2@103mph

    Here are some additional links I found on the net:
    http://www.importforums.com/carsinfo.htm
    http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishievov.html
    http://www.fastsaloons.com/cardetails.php?carlist=(58)
    http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishievovi.html
    http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishievovii.html
    http://www.fast-autos.net/subaru/subarusti.html
    http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?id1=45&id2=179
    http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?id1=56&id2=0

    Oh, and for the record, the British made the Guinness Book of World Records.
     
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    Dude, just because it's British doesn't make it any less inaccurate on rare occasions.

    That's all fine and dandy, many people will be unable to achieve 1/4 times quicker than 13.5 in the Evo or the STi, just like many people will be unable to pull off 1/4 times quicker than 13.5 with the Mustang SVT Cobra. However that doesn't mean that any of the three are unable to reach mid to high 12's, I've seen 12.6 for an EVO VI, as well as 12.8 for the STi, times like that are rare, but they are possible on a perfect run, and they do occur. I'll get back to it later.

    and are you claiming that both the EVO and STi are slower from a rolling start of 5mph to 60mph than they are from a standing start? Right buddy, provide all the sources you like, you're not going to convince anyone.
     
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    "Dude, just because it's British doesn't make it any less inaccurate on rare occasions."

    Did I ever say that it is fully accurate? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. You just seem to be under the impression that the book is American made, which it's not.

    "That's all fine and dandy, many people will be unable to achieve 1/4 times quicker than 13.5 in the Evo or the STi, just like many people will be unable to pull off 1/4 times quicker than 13.5 with the Mustang SVT Cobra."

    Ok, I'll be waiting for your links. Until then, your claim of 12.4 sounds far from believable. Why do you seem to be under the impression that I favor the Cobra? As a satisfied Mitsubishi owner, I would put my money on the Evo as the overall better car. All I'm saying that mid 12 quarter mile times for the Evo is a far cry from nearly every single road test I've seen. I also noticed that now you're changing your times to 12.6 for the Evo and 12.8 for STi (what happened to 12.4 and 12.6?). Once again, I agree with you that the muscle car fans overrate the Cobra in acceleration.

    "and are you claiming that both the EVO and STi are slower from a rolling start of 5mph to 60mph than they are from a standing start? Right buddy, provide all the sources you like, you're not going to convince anyone."

    Of course they are slower from a rolling start than from a standing start; I just pointed out the big gap in acceleration times. I'm not going to convince anyone? HAHA, and you are going to convince people with your ridiculous claims of mid 12 quarter mile times for the Evo and STi that you still haven't backed up with any evidence? Right… At least I provided different sources of evidence. If you have a problem with C&D's road test, go settle it with them.
     
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    When did I ever say that you claimed the guinness book was 100% accurate, read what I said again, and perhaps you'll understand what I meant.

    Not once did I EVER say it was American, I said that those figures must only apply to North America, as before 2003 it was true....FOR NORTH AMERICA.

    Ever heard of the Tommi Makkinen Evo VI? a limited run production EVO that was capable of a 12.4 sec 1/4. And then there's the STi Type-RA which was capable of a 12.6 1/4. However those are not typical Evo and STi 1/4 times, so I reverted to the common STi and EVO CAPABLE times of 12.6 and 12.8.


    "Of course they are slower from a rolling start than from a standing start;" Um, right, perhaps if the rolling start test involves the foot on the gas at 5mph and then giving it more gas to see how it accelerates to 60mph from there, however, from a rolling start, the times can easily be faster, by depressing the clutch while rolling at 5mph, revving up the engine, and then popping the clutch (or even just releasing it quickly), since it's already moving, the car will "get off the line" better than it would from a standing start.

    I have no problem with C&D, however they have been known to get more common times than the best performance figures a car is capable of.
     
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    But you're forgetting over all speed...I don't think the EVO tops out at 150...I think it's more like 140...it is a 5speed.
     
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    it tots out at 156, as tested by motor trend. and its E-limited too.
     
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    "Not once did I EVER say it was American, I said that those figures must only apply to North America, as before 2003 it was true....FOR NORTH AMERICA."

    You're right; I misread what you said.

    "Ever heard of the Tommi Makkinen Evo VI? a limited run production EVO that was capable of a 12.4 sec 1/4. And then there's the STi Type-RA which was capable of a 12.6 1/4. However those are not typical Evo and STi 1/4 times, so I reverted to the common STi and EVO CAPABLE times of 12.6 and 12.8."

    Yes, I have heard of the special edition models. I'm not saying you are a liar, but your claims would be far more plausible if you provided some sources confirming those times. Please also provide sources for the 12.6 and 12.8 times too, since I have not seen times like that either (although they are more convincing).

    "I have no problem with C&D, however they have been known to get more common times than the best performance figures a car is capable of."

    Fair enough, but I can provide faster road tests that still don't match your claims. Anyway, please provide some sources to back your claims
     
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    okay, this is way off the current topic, and more with the origanal. the import craze is dying. although the ones buying it because they perfer a certan japanese model are still doing it, im seeing more and more domestics a street races [organised]. i went to only 3 ever [the first two a long while back] and then they were -all- imports, now maybe a dead 50% are domestics, still cavalears, but its a start. yesterday was the third. when a 01/99 [couldnt tell]cobra pulled in, it got just as many stares as the NSX. even import mags are going against anti-domestic to kinda a coexestance. i heared from a couple friends there, every night at least two mustangs roll in with houling engines and huge rear tires, usualy dominating the races, they also said once the stangs were owned by a supra but thats respecable.
     
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    Why does it take a Ford owner 30 min to drive to the shop but two hours two drive back.


    His Ford doesn't go fast in reverse.
     
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    <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/grin.gif"></A> LOL
     
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    dont hate imports. imports arent slow. lets take the integra type r and compare it with the mustang gt.

    Mustang-v8- 360 hp
    Integra-I4- 200 hp

    1/4 Mile
    Mustang-14.8
    Integra-14.9

    so i wouldnt consider imports slow. if a i4 can run with a v8 then there nothing much to be dissing on. so dont be making fun of small engines especially if they can keep up with the "BIG" v8.
     
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    i admit that some japenese imports r fast but most of them look like shit. and if u change the muffler to make it loud it sounds like shit.
    and the good ones r way overpriced like the nsx or skyline 89000 us. like wtf? i could get a mustang or corvette, make it better and still have money left over from $89000.
    and racerboi87 there is no way that an integra can keep us with a mustang gt.
     
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    The GTR is 50,000 in japan [USD], and i dont think the NSX is overpriced. The NSX-R ran a lap 5 seconds [!] quicker than a 575 maranello around Top Gear's [BBC] track.
     
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    Mustang GT is slow for a V8 sportscar, Integra is fast for an I-4 passenger car, and they're both about the same in acceleration.

    "i could get a mustang or corvette, make it better and still have money left over from $89000" correction - you could make them faster in straightline acceleration, possibly better handling, but they wouldn't be anywhere near as good of a car.
     
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    MUSTANG is slow for a V-8 sportscar but it dosen't accelerate the same as an Integra. Corvette z 06 a new one has great handling and could very well compete with a Integra or M3 or Skyline.
     
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    both 1/4 and 0-60 are pretty similar between the Integra type-r and Mustang GT.

    Yes, I know the Z06 handles quite well (though great handling can really only be attributed to the massive tires, I'd like to see how well the Z06 would do on a wet surface, in which the advantage of the heavy, large tires would be elimininated), and would easily out-compete the Integra and M3, and be able to compete with the Skyline, but that wouldn't necessarily make it as good of a car (hmm....better reliability, much better handling in marginal conditions, 4-seats, better quality, better practicality) no, I would think the Skyline would still win in overall quality, particularly since it's at an even level of performance with the Skyline.
     
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    We just have to agree to disagree.
     

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