Let's see some Honda crap take this on....

Discussion in '2002 Ford GT40 Concept' started by painkiller, Dec 31, 2002.

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    I'm a street racer. I'm already getting hook-ups on fixing up my 5.0 Mustang. Us street racers are not really experts, and some of these guys are so crazy, they use too much nitrous, which really #$%#s up your car, since the car itself overheats. I'm planning to supercharge my 5.0, and upgrade it along with some extra engine internals. I'm really no expert. I just intimidate idiots who annoy me, but I'm going to be a street racer, mostly dragging on freeways and all that shit.
    You're a racer yourself, so I might need some pointers. One big question I have is shifting gears. When is the right time to shift gears to accelerate to higher speeds? Another question is how do I get better reaction times?
     
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    Well, I rally race, I don't race in the streets (though sometimes I drive like I am). I'm only at the novice level, hell, I still use my daily driver as a rally car, of course, with rally cars, no matter how modified they are, they're still always street legal, so I could theoretically always use my own rally car as a daily driver <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>. But I can maybe help you out based on personal experience.


    1) depends on the gearing of the car and the power curve. If you don't mind risking damage to your engine, or already have the internal modifications to take the extra stress, then go out on your own, to a secluded area on a freeway, and accelerate through all the gears, burying the needle in the tach, take note for each gear where exactly the rate of acceleration increase drops dramatically, that's the point where you'll want to shift up. If you're still accelerating and want to reach a higher speed, just continue accelerating as fast as possible, shifting up once you hit an rpm at which your current gear is no longer useful. If you're already at a constant speed and want to reach a higher speed quickly, drop 1 or even two gears and accelerate until the gear is no longer useful then shift up.

    I find with my Civic (which of course has less power than a 5.0 Mustang, so the ratio on the gas/clutch is going to be different, play around until you figure it out) that when I'm shifting up (particularly from 1st-2nd, and 4th-5th) I can get some pretty good acceleration times, and a quick boost of torque if I take my foot off the gas to just 1/3 pressure the very moment my left foot hits the clutch, and keep it there until the clutch is on the way back up, then hit full throttle as soon as the clutch is about 3/4 depressed. It wears the clutch faster, but nobody expects a Stock 1990 Civic to accelerate so quickly.



    2) reaction times are all about anticipation, I've noticed that if you have a light that flashes from red to green, you can watch other racers start and figure out beforehand how long before the light switches to yellow then green. lf you have good rhythm sense you can tap your foot or hum or something to get the rhythm down, then hum in the back of your mind and be ready to slam on the gas the instant you know that light is going to change, likewise if there's a specific stoplight you use for racing on the street, just time it out on your own time, and make yourself ready. It's not going to change your time drastically to just make yourself ready to react at the right moment, but it should shave a few 10ths of a second off your reaction time. That's really all I can tell you (I can't give you any trade secrets , actually I don't really know).

    That said, I could just be FOS on the above as I've never really drag raced, but I have noticed that I can react more quickly if I time it out in my head ahead of time. For the races I compete in we don't have any start indicator, just a synchronized clock to go by, I have to start on the 100th of a second, I've grown accustomed to making myself react when I need to.
     
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    Well, I rally race, I don't race in the streets (though sometimes I drive like I am<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>). I'm only at the novice level, hell, I still use my daily driver as a rally car, of course, with rally cars, no matter how modified they are, they're still always street legal, so I could theoretically always use my own rally car as a daily driver<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>. But I can maybe help you out based on personal experience.


    1) depends on the gearing of the car and the power curve. If you don't mind risking damage to your engine, or already have the internal modifications to take the extra strain, then go out on your own, to a secluded area on a freeway, and accelerate through all the gears, burying the needle in the tach, take note for each gear where exactly the rate of acceleration increase slows dramatically, that's the point where you'll want to shift up. If you're still accelerating and want to reach a higher speed, just continue accelerating as fast as possible, shifting up once you hit an rpm at which your current gear is no longer useful. If you're already at a constant speed and want to reach a higher speed quickly, drop 1 or even two gears and accelerate until the gear is no longer useful then shift up.

    I find with my Civic (which of course has less power than a 5.0 Mustang, and the peak power also comes at a higher rpm, so the ratio on the gas/clutch is going to be different, play around until you figure it out) that when I'm shifting up (particularly from 1st-2nd, and 4th-5th) I can get some pretty good acceleration times, and a quick boost of torque if I take my foot off the gas to just 1/3 pressure the very moment my left foot hits the clutch, and keep it there until the clutch is on the way back up, then hit full throttle as soon as the clutch is about 3/4 depressed. It wears the clutch faster, but nobody expects a Stock 1990 Civic to accelerate so quickly.

    Using this method, in one of my first races, I once got the record top speed on a special stage with a short straight stretch in which someone had told me the fastest anyone could ever possibly get to was 164km/h (there was a sharp left turn at the end so you have to slow down quickly), I rounded the corner at the beginning of the stretch at approx. 110km/h (a recommended 90km/h corner) floored it, and shifted into 5th at 6000rpm by the time I released the clutch, I passed the radar at 173.6km/h (yes, they were using radar to see how fast people could get to on that straight stretch, as a matter of interest) before braking hard and entering the recommended 75km/h corner at about 100km/h, suffice it to say, I barely kept the car on the road. I found out to my surprise just how fast I'd been going on that straight. Bear in mind, that was a novice rally, and no highly modified car or truly experienced drivers had ever driven that stage.



    2) reaction times are all about anticipation, I've noticed that if you have a light that flashes from red to green, you can watch other racers start and figure out beforehand how long before the light switches to yellow then green. lf you have good rhythm sense you can tap your foot or hum or something to get the rhythm down, then hum in the back of your mind and be ready to slam on the gas the instant you know that light is going to change, likewise if there's a specific stoplight you use for racing on the street, just time it out on your own time, and make yourself ready. It's not going to change your time drastically to just make yourself ready to react at the right moment, but it should shave a few 10ths of a second off your reaction time. That's really all I can tell you (I can't give you any trade secrets<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>, actually I don't really know).

    That said, I could just be FOS on the above as I've never really drag raced, but I have noticed that I can react more quickly if I time it out in my head ahead of time. For the races I compete in we don't have any start indicator, just a synchronized clock to go by, I have to start on the 100th of a second, I've grown accustomed to making myself react when I need to.
     
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    So I shift when the tachometer needle slows down dramatically or when the gear is too weak to handle the torque?

    Does that really work, putting 1/3 of the foot pressure on the gas pedal while using the clutch, to gain higher speeds?

    Other questions.
    Is nitrous oxide worth buying?
    What is a more preffered method of forced induction?
    What does weight have to do with racing?
    What engine internals are the first I should modify?

    Well, that's about it. Thanks for the help.
     
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    No, figure that out beforehand, and shift just before you start to lose your acceleration rate, basically yes, to what you say, only, shift just before that happens.

    Well, some refer to it as powershifting, but yes, it works, basically, when the clutch is engaged the engine can run freely, so when you keep the gas pedal pressed down a bit your rpm is higher when you release the clutch, which translates to more power, so you accelerate more quickly. Basically it works similarly to revving to 5,000rpm when you're at a stop, then release the clutch with the gas floored, you know what happens, you don't stop spinning the tires for some time, but when you try it by releasing the clutch at 1,000rpm then floor it, you leave a bit of rubber behind, but less power is going to the ground. It works pretty much the same way when you do it at higher speeds when shifting, only not as dramatic, really just enough to chirp the tires and give you more power when you release the clutch. Revving to the very beginning of where you start to gain the most power generally works best (it will take a fair bit of practice before you can do that effectively, but in the meantime, just give it enough gas to increase your rpm for after you release the clutch).

    That's really just for acceleration, but to reach higher speeds sooner, you have to accelerate faster, right? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    I'm not at the level where I'm using power adding mods (Group-N, or stock is currently more my style, that way it's more the driver than the car, but when I really get into it I'll have to start modifying of course)

    IMHO:

    NO2 is useful, as you get that burst of power when you need it (unless of course you're running off strictly nitrous rather than gas<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>), or want it.

    I prefer Turbocharging, or negative supercharging (Negative supercharging, just because of ethics, and it's supposed to work pretty good)

    More weight affects your acceleration (you also spin the tires more once they're hot), but not your top speed.

    Basically anything in the Cylinders to allow them to take more stress. Definitely replace the stock piston rings, and possibly the pistons themselves (aluminum is lightweight and has pretty good heat resistance), sparkplugs, perhaps larger injectors (if it is a FI engine), higher heat resistant valve cover gasket, if you can - any seals in the engine that you can replace; replace them with higher heat resistant seals.

    No problem, check with a mechanic before making some of those modifications, what's good for some cars isn't good for all.
     
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    You're a disgrace to life,end yourself now loser~!

    Take your little fords and other American shit cars,and shove 'em up your ass~!

    I don't give a flying #$%# if you stupid asses hate Imports(euro/Asian)
    cars,I hate you more.Besides you're just missing out on awesome cars
    by buying american!
     
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    Thanks for the help. Since I really appreciate the time you took to help me, you're cooler than before. From now on, were homeboys.

    Also, does weight affect acceleration in a good or bad way?
     
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    Acceleration is slower with more weight, it's easier to get less weight moving. But (in theory) with a perfect drivetrain that produces absolutely no friction, weight doesn't affect top speed.


    no prob homez<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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    Christ anti domestic..calm down. you dont deserve to have that ferrari symbol becasue u know nothing about ferraris. if u knew anything, youd know that the gt40 handed ferrari thier asses in the le mans. domestic and import (european, not japan, sorry) both have great cars. jesus...stop trying to stir up anger you shitflap


    btw...dont try any shit about ferrari with me. u obviously dont know enough.
     
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    "youd know that the gt40 handed ferrari thier asses in the le mans. domestic and import (european, not japan, sorry)" precisely why did you emphasize your exclusion of Japan? Don't be an idiot, you know damn well that Honda gave Ferrari a wake up call when they came out with the NSX.


    Nevermind, forget I said this. Yes, this is the edited part<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>.
     
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    sorry password...i put that their for all of the people who constantly say that their modded to the max civic can be compared to a hand made work of art like the ferrari. japan makes excellent cars (especially the nsx), but some people make the stupidest comaprisons. i hope ur not like that. i have great respect for the production line of japan cars, but not the racing (mostly because i dont pay attention to japan racing), but please, i'd be glad to hear some of your info about japan racing.
     
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    I'll get into that later (I don't have time right now, though you can check out a link I posted earlier for Speed Demon on the last page).

    No, I'm not like that, I know where the limitations of cars lie.

    I know that a Modded Civic is nothing in comparison a lot of supercars, but I also know that a Civic makes a great race car for its class (I rally race regionally with a '90 Civic SI, it pales in comparison to cars in other classes such as WRX's, Audi TT Rally Edition's, miscellaneous Subaru's from 1993+, etc. but it can compete when you have a decent driver/co-driver combination).

    No problem, I don't blame you, there are a lot of stupid things claimed by a lot of people on these forums. I was just responding in that manner because I thought you were saying that Japan doesn't make any decent racing cars, I apologize for that.
     
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    i agree with u. i just hate it when people like anti domestic come in and start spouting crap. i love ferraris, but the gt40 will always be the ferrari slayer. correct me if im wrong, but i think that the gt40 contiued to beat ferrari in lemans until a little while ago. people like anti domestic have that extremely negative opinions about certain cars (like the one u thought i had toward japan cars), and they dont understand that sometimes the other cars are just better. this is an example of that.

    im definitely more into the european section of imports, mainly because there are no japan sports cars that i like (except for the nsx). supras and civics dont do it for me like a 550 maranello does.
     
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    UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    500bhp from ford is shite! Honda's best engine produces 910BHP thats right BHP not HP which is just measured at the flywheel. And every tiny bit of that 910BHP is squeezed from just 3 litres of naturally aspirated, non Nitro, unassisted pure-bred engine!!!
     
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    omg its just a friggin ford and the NSX will prob beat a GT40. And American companys just put big ass engines with not much effort. I luv American cars but there not close to Japanese technology.

    Just an opinion I dont want to argue.

    P.S Skylines Rulez
     
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    Honda's engines used in the 1988 Mclaren Honda F1 car were 1.6 litre engines that produced 1600BHP!!
     
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    i am sorry you guys are comparing race engine to production engine, come on give me a break, i hate this topics because its not fare to any country to bring these kind of things up.
    but be realistic don't compare stupid things , we all know cosworth part of ford is probably the one of the biggest race engine manufacurer out there, and also if i am correct the most winning engine manufacurer in F1 also.
    Just to prove i am not a other car hater i have a 91 passat gl, hey anyone know of eny good mod for that car. apriciated.
     
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    Actually Ferrari and McLaren are about tied for most successful Manufacturers, Ferrari being the only of the two that have always used their own engines, takes the most successful F1 title.

    I'm not sure who you're referring to with the "comparing race engine to production engine", is it the topic starter? or the discussion above?
     
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    hey the fact is that the gt40 is a beautiful car and if i have the money some day, ill buy one.


    P.s. does anyone know how much there going to cost and how fast there gonna go.
     
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    1600bhp with twin turbo's!!! not naturally aspirated! Prat
     
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    the most times winning engine manufacturer from F1 is actually HONDA!
     
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    That's for their engine though, we're discussing car manufacturers.

    BTW - did you know that part of McLaren's history of wins is in part thanks to Honda for the use of their engine, for example: Ayrton Senna's 1988 McLaren Honda, which was one of the most successful F1 cars of all time.
     
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    Why is Honda being compared to Ford. Nearly all aspects of these two great car companies are different. Why the comparision?
     
  25. Re: Let's see some Honda crap take this on....

    Because some people would like to belittle Honda's success I suppose.
     

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