Re: 840 bhp without a turbo this babe as some power...

Discussion in '2001 Pontiac Firebird Raptor Concept' started by blown2000outback, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. Nice car with excellent engine efficiency, Nm/liter well beyond one hundred.

    Oh, and from carpoint.msn.com, measured stock skidpad numbers:

    2001 Pontiac Firebird WS6 0,88g
    2001 BMW M5 0,85
    2001 BMW 740 0,82

    Firebird can outhandle even an M5, without even speaking of 740. Yawn.
     
  2. And hey Bigwillman, from the same source, 2001 Honda S2000 has a skidpad number of 0,87g. Cause you seem to have the vigor, you might be interested to ask around, why can a stock Firebird WS6 pull more gŽs from the skidpad than Honda S2000, if itŽs so badly outhandled by it? <IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  3. #53 BIGVTEC, Aug 10, 2002
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    Errrr.

    2001 M5 .87g
    2001 WS6 .84g

    www.Motortrend.com

    And why are you comparing Luxury Sedans to a car that claims to be a sports car.

    Dickhead.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. Different sources, different individual cars, different results. Not much difference here anyway - M5 and a Firebird are about on par which shows from both results. Reason for putting in numbers for sedans was because someone mentioned earlier that BMW 740 pulls more gŽs on skidpad than a Firebird. And since when has an M5 been a mere "luxury sedan"? Granted it is, but itŽs also tuned by M division and is often referred as more of a sports car. At least as often as Firebirds are referred as "not a sports car". Putting in those numbers were however mainly directed for those ignorant morons who keep claiming Firebirds / Camaros canŽt turn, which is not true.

    And thanks for signing your letter as "Dickhead". ItŽs very illustrative.
     
  5. Right.

    Anyone who even puts BMW and Firebirds in the same category is a dickhead. We can compare all day, but in the end, they are two worlds apart. M5 is geared toward "executives" who like to step on it, and don't want the average 540, since everybody and their mother got one, including my parental unit. If you really want a BMW sports car with M5 power plant you get the Z8.

    The Firebird on the other hand... well, it's for people who lack the appreciation of finess, and sophisticated engineering, or they simply lack money.

    I'm sorry, but whenever I see someone driving a Pontiac, any kind of Pontiac, I think, WHITE TRASH.

    In this life there are masters and there are servants...you know what I mean?<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. #56 BigWillman, Aug 10, 2002
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    and with this car, i'll definitely be your master...hahaha! and thanks Bearing for the numeros on the S-crap-thousand. BigVtech, how many times do i have to punk your sorry ass before you relize that American balls to the wall power is going to romp whatever you wanna put up next to it. white trash my ass, i'd rather buy this Raptor and that sweet WS6 trans am for how much you wanna pay for that NSX and be your master with both, including in the twisties. go to www.lgmotorsports.com and check out how much stuff they have for trans am and camero suspension. with $6k on suspension work on the WS6, you get it to pull over 1 g on the skip pad...put that in your luxury finesse crap and smoke it. when i get out of college and take your job, i'll be pullin up to work everyday in my f-body...and talk about an executive who can REALLY punch it...hahaha!<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. You will be a master?

    When you wake up out of that dream, and realize a collage paper is useless without experience, you will become somebody's *****, you will kiss arse for a raise, maybe mine. You just never know. And if you land a good paying corporate job, you will get tangled in the potitics, and realize you are better off owning your own business, even if you only put 30,000 a year in your pocket.

    Right now you are a ***** in training, so shut the f... up, and go get me some IMPORTED coffee.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. #58 greghourigan, Aug 10, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BigWillman</i>
    <b>and with this car, i'll definitely be your master...hahaha! and thanks Bearing for the numeros on the S-crap-thousand. BigVtech, how many times do i have to punk your sorry ass before you relize that American balls to the wall power is going to romp whatever you wanna put up next to it. white trash my ass, i'd rather buy this Raptor and that sweet WS6 trans am for how much you wanna pay for that NSX and be your master with both, including in the twisties. go to www.lgmotorsports.com and check out how much stuff they have for trans am and camero suspension. with $6k on suspension work on the WS6, you get it to pull over 1 g on the skip pad...put that in your luxury finesse crap and smoke it. when i get out of college and take your job, i'll be pullin up to work everyday in my f-body...and talk about an executive who can REALLY punch it...hahaha!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    s-crap-thousand? right, seeing that there 1/4 mile times are identical, and the fire bird has 60more hp, oh ya it must be a crapy car, right. no i think not, and i only brought up the bmw 740 having a better skid pad reading cuz its a frigging boat and it can outhandle the "all mighty" american "super car". and for the last time, bmw m5: .91, bmw 740: .88, honda s2000: .91, firebird: .87.
    u keep trashing ricers thinking there all the same, did u not get my post about the nissan 300zx getting almost 600hp n/a with out nos, out of a 3.0 v6? i mean what do have against anything thats not american? are u some kinda super nationalist american? about the putting 6 grand into a fire brid to make it pull 1 g on the skid pad, that shouldnt cost that much, thats insane. besides thats all talk, u could just as easily make an nsx (like u mentioned) pull way beyond 1 g, especialy with 6 grand going into it. or are u just pissed off that the nsx kicks the shit out of the fire bird in every way possible, and especialy that it does it being japanese, and doing it with a 3.2 v6!<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. I never really had an interest for Firebirds but these last ones look pretty hot. I have yet to see or hear them up close and personal. Though they are ending the production, I feel Pontiac made a good ending with the Raptor, Collector's Edition, etc.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. #60 BigWillman, Aug 10, 2002
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    hahaha, once again, we here at supercars have been subjected to the retarded comments of morons. first to bigvtech, get a life and a real one. not some fantasy one where you think imports can beat domestics in anything, where it seems to me the only thing they are ahead in, and by alot, is price. it takes way too much money to get your imports to compete with me and my f-bodies. show me something that will beat that nice little american car under my name...the ZL1 Camaro and good luck. next, to the little kid, greg, who we continue to embarrass, show me this mythical 600hp 300zx...and as far as my guess goes, it either doesn't exist or it won't after 3 or 4 quarter runs with that kind of pressure on an engine like that and then i'll show you a faster f-body. now back to the S-loads of crap-2000, first of all, it barely out handles the f-body but gets it's ass beat in the quarter by almost a full second...that's a LONG time in the quarter. so yeah, you may keep up with me in the twisties, but as soon as they are over, you won't even be smelling my exhaust i'm so far ahead. i have alittle link for you...check out your s-crap-thousand getting WASTED by a STOCK mustang GT, and we all know how bad that gets waxed by the f-bodies.
    http://fluxu8.nismo.org/videos.html

    watch carefully as the s-crap-thousand gets PASSED by the new altima as well! haha! hilarious you people are. and you talk about it's 0-60 time? you have to dump the clutch at 7500 RPM just to get that 60 time they are sooo proud of. with a couple of those, your motor will be on it's way to blown in no time. see you at the finish line, me and my f-body will be waiting...<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Not to nitpick... ok actually i will. Someone earlier said that the engine on this car was added weight over the other one. (OHHH A 6.3L ENGINE!! IT MUST BE HUGE) They obviously missed the part saying it was stroked out. They didn't drop a bigger engine in. Dumbass. Anyway, as to the NSX vs. TA debate raging on right now. Asthetics aside for now, if u wanted to really make them equal, u pit ur 30k TA against someones 90k NSX. Then you add 60,000 dollars in mods and suspension for the sake of evenness. Then you race them again. NOW asthetics come back. Ur pretty little NSX just got its sh*t kicked by an ugly brutalizing monster. HAHAHAAHAHAH
     
  12. #62 greghourigan, Aug 10, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BigWillman</i>
    <b>hahaha, once again, we here at supercars have been subjected to the retarded comments of morons. first to bigvtech, get a life and a real one. not some fantasy one where you think imports can beat domestics in anything, where it seems to me the only thing they are ahead in, and by alot, is price. it takes way too much money to get your imports to compete with me and my f-bodies. show me something that will beat that nice little american car under my name...the ZL1 Camaro and good luck. next, to the little kid, greg, who we continue to embarrass, show me this mythical 600hp 300zx...and as far as my guess goes, it either doesn't exist or it won't after 3 or 4 quarter runs with that kind of pressure on an engine like that and then i'll show you a faster f-body. now back to the S-loads of crap-2000, first of all, it barely out handles the f-body but gets it's ass beat in the quarter by almost a full second...that's a LONG time in the quarter. so yeah, you may keep up with me in the twisties, but as soon as they are over, you won't even be smelling my exhaust i'm so far ahead. i have alittle link for you...check out your s-crap-thousand getting WASTED by a STOCK mustang GT, and we all know how bad that gets waxed by the f-bodies.
    http://fluxu8.nismo.org/videos.html

    watch carefully as the s-crap-thousand gets PASSED by the new altima as well! haha! hilarious you people are. and you talk about it's 0-60 time? you have to dump the clutch at 7500 RPM just to get that 60 time they are sooo proud of. with a couple of those, your motor will be on it's way to blown in no time. see you at the finish line, me and my f-body will be waiting...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->wait, i missed the part about u embarressing me? ur just embaressing urself here. u going on and on, making up stats to make american cars sound better and saying everything i have said (which i have proof to bake up) is a lie. now as for where this 600hp 300zx exists, well lets see: in the pages of a tuner mag i already mentioned. lol a full second difference in 1/4 times for the s2000 and TA? are u kidding me? every comparision i have ever read or seen, even any other american car enthusiasts can admit that the s2000 can out handle and accelerate the ponie cars. now as for the s2000 getting its ass kicked by a mustang gt? i find that HIGHLY UNLIKELY! lets see, Honda s2000: 0-60 5.2 seconds, Mustang GT with 20 more hp, 4 more cylinders and a hell of a lot more displacement: hmmm lets see, oh right, 6.1 seconds. my parents 3.2 TL type s (asian) and bmw can keep up with that car, and the acura is a front wheel drive 4 door full size sedan. u really gota quit pulling this anti-import shit out of ur ass. now as for way too much money to get imports to compete with american f-bodys, well in most case; no shit retard, they were never ment to comepete with them. a little 15 second honda civic with half the cylinders and just a shade over 1 litre was never ment to be a preformance car, why the hell do u think they made it front wheel drive. but the fact of the matter is u cant put a price on its preformance, those cars can run 10 second 1/4 mile times and then some with the proper mods at a minimal price. you just have never pulled ur head out of ur ass and realized this. i am not saying a honda civic is better then a fire bird, i dont understand why ur even comparing them. but the thing is, the s2000 is not a peice of shit, about the dropping the clutch at 75k to get to 60, what are u basing this on? have u ever even driven one b4? my parents rented one when we went to vegas last year for a few days, and one thing i sure as hell noticed was that tach climbs and drops like the cars in neutral (a good thing). it'll hit its 9500rpm rev-limiter just as quick, if not b4 the fire bird could hit its) that 9000rev is there so it can get the max amount of power, its not there to make the gears an hour long. now as for the engine being on the brink of explosion because of its high revs, well look at an f1's engine (like the s2000s) they both have remarkably high reving engines, of corse the f1 is about 10k higher. but those engines are ment to withstand that kinda preformance, unlike the fire birds (acient pushrod) engine which still hasnt ventured off into 7k territory. so listen, i am not trieing to argue with u, or piss u off, but u gota quit shooting ur mouth off at asians and trashing them at every chance u get. ur opinion is ur opinion, but dont go trashing other ppls, i like high reving engines (something america doesnt have), and u like low reving, big displacement v8s (something camaros and TAs have). but thats not to say america is the only place in the world with them, alot asian/euro v8's put out just as much power and then a a lot more using the same amount of displacement or smaller, so take it easy and quit trashing everything not american.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. i don't get the point of putting nitrous in a production street car. i say the only advantage to the system is on the strip. once you get on the highway, you're gonna end up in the ditch or median. stupid domestic company's do anything. japanese autoshows put crazy things on the floor but are careful to what they put on production models. domestics don't know the difference sweet or practical. this is the ugliest thing i've seen since it's older brother, aztek. thanks to these idiots who only care about ponies in cars, theres a giant hole in the ozone above america because of these domestics. imported car companies know something about making fast, better handeling cars without trying to kill all of mankind. all these americans should learn something from our older, smarter brothers from the overseas. think about it.
     
  14. i don't get the point of putting nitrous in a production street car. i say the only advantage to the system is on the strip. once you get on the highway, you're gonna end up in the ditch or median. stupid domestic company's do anything. japanese autoshows put crazy things on the floor but are careful to what they put on production models. domestics don't know the difference sweet or practical. this is the ugliest thing i've seen since it's older brother, aztek. thanks to these idiots who only care about ponies in cars, theres a giant hole in the ozone above america because of these domestics. imported car companies know something about making fast, better handeling cars without trying to kill all of mankind. all these americans should learn something from our older, smarter brothers from the overseas. think about it.
     
  15. hey greg i notice you refered to pushrod engines as ancient, or at least thats what im sure you were saying. well if im not mistaken are top fuel dragsters pushrod engines? and arent those the fastest accelerating things on this plant. and they are also big v-8's too. im not trying to be an arshole or anything i just wanted to make a point.
     
  16. Ya, the Honduh are slow cause they have a v4 and stangs and firebirds have v8's.

    With Turbo and NOS you can have 1000+hp anyday and beat the slow civics to.

    I raced a civic and won. I have a Grey Stang with blackouts and a V8 bored 5.0 with supercharged and NOS and flowmasters on back. I have 900hp and beat the civic. It was a civic DX 4 door stock. Honduhs think they are faster but are not. My stang can beat every civic on the road. cause when I put a turbo on mine it will go 2000hp. I shop at summit not an import store. I dont have a dumm wing on mine. I have a wing to keep my car from flying in the air cause I go to fast.

    Kyle
    88 stang bored 5.0
    Supercharged NOS
    Flowmaster
    Fiber carbon wing
    V8 inline. can beat any civic out there.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. BigWilliam-- I am not a huge fan of the S2000, but they can handle those revs just fine because that has been the basis of their engine design philosophy for a long long time. Yes, it would be crazy to rev, say, and LS1 like that, but they are built specifically to stand up to those revs. "They have to rebuild those F1 engines after every race!" And I suppose they don't ever rebuild top fuel dragster engines, eh? (after a few seconds use I might add) And they only do that to minimize the chances of a failiure in another race, it's not like they're kaput. And requiring 6K to get 1.0G is awfully weak. Not like static grip is really tthe best test of handling anyway...
    But I must also aknowledge that these things were never meant to shine on anything but the strip and between stoplights, and they are awfully good at that.
    This whole discussion is apples to oranges anyhow, but damn if it isn't fun to watch!!!
     
  18. Ok you all are idiots, Sans a few I can't remember who. First of all to talk a little bit about trying to get 100hp per liter out of an american pushrod engine normally aspirated, It's not possible, atleast not on pump gas. In order to get the 100hp per liter, normally aspirated it needs to rev and rev high like in the honda S2000, pushrod engines weren't built to rev to 8,000+rpms. Another thing to talk a little bit about is handling, I think someone else said the thing about pony cars not suppose to be handlers, well you're right, they aren't they were originally built to be accleration machines and I guarantee thats something this particular car does very well. And trying to compare this type of car to hondas and porsches is like trying to compare pussies and assholes, both are good in their own way but are still way too different. When honda or porsche build a car to specifically to challenge the Firebird only then we can talk about that. And yes, this cars platform is ugly as sin, it's fat and disfigured, i've said my piece, later.
     
  19. Trans Ams handle good. don't just say they don't because everybody else says they don't. actually drive one and you'll see that they handle good. maybe not the best ever, but plenty good enough for any street in america
     
  20. well everyone who posted since my last one (with the exception of bleak7) made some very good points. push rod engines do work, they're just a little on the acient side. however, they seem to work fine in vette. but those engines have a lot more potential with OCH configurtions. oh well, anyways regardling bleaks post. am i the onlyone who noticed a few things that didnt make sense? he mentioned not having a wing on his car, however below he lists he has a carbon fibre one (but he puts fiber carbon, that makes a lot of sense). he also mentioned having a 900hp NOS super charged 5.0 stang, RIGHT. not to mention at the bottem he put with the turbo hes putting it, it'll get 2000hp. riiight, i have never heard of an engine using both a turbo and super at the same time for forced induction. 2000hp? haha i think not. now about u beating a civic that u raced (first of all, why would u brag that it was stock?) well i sure as hell hope u would have beat that civic, asuming this 5.0 Mustang running with NOS, a turbo and super charger putting out 2000 hp even exists. hahaha i am sorry, but if lie about owning some 2000hp mustang, why not next time u put a little effort into it! lol v4 for the civic? try in-line 4, i cant think of one V4 used in the last decade in a car<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. Hey carrerra, they do rebuild Top fuel cars as well but the reason that i pointed out specifically F1 cars is because they rev to ungodly 16000 RPMs. But Top fuelers in the "ancient" 502 ci pushrod blown motrs also rev very high, if i am not mistaked John Forces car reves to just a hair over 10,000 rpm on his sub 5 sec trip down the strip. They also rebuild The NASCAR motors which are pushrob v8s as well and they rev to about 7500 rpm and some even higher. As for low reving american engines no one has mentioned the Dodge v6's that are put in the intrepid RT, the prowler, and the 300M, they are 3.5 litre DOHC plants that have 7500 rpm redlines, just thought that i would poin that out.

    I personally work int that automobile service industry at a dodge dealership and see the above mentioned motor come in on a frequent basis for head gasket and other problems that result from high revs. The earlier post about the s2000 being unreliable if you drive it the way it supposed to be driven is accurate. a technician buddy of mine at the honda dealership down the way has seen four s2000s in the last 2 weeks due to problems resulting from reving the motor as high as it can go too often. F bodys have the same problems if you over rev but not so much as the s2000 with its 9000 rpm redline. but 4 s2000s in 2 weeks is a great deal.

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  22. Just a note to greghourigan, there are super and turbo charged motors, although they are awfully rare. It's something they did to the Audi Quattro rally car back in the early days. SC for the low end grunt, and at a set rev, it would cut out and the TC would come on and give the high end. I THINK that they do it with tractor-pull engines to, but I could be wrong.
     
  23. Sorry about that....
    My last post was just crap, just messing about.
    A little sarcasm, thats all.
    I read someones post somewhere on this forum and it sounded like how I was writing. It pissed me off..

    Anyways,
    The Turbo and SC thing. Ive seen it done, but cant recall to what. I know that it was tuned so that the SC would pick up the low end of the RPM range, meanwhile it would allow the Turbo to spool up and kick in at the appropriate moment. Its a difficult feat to engineer, but it can render some excellent results. I guess you can throw fuel economy out the door.



    Cheers!
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  24. ya ive also seen that turbo and supercharger thing done on a skyline motor.
     

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