<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from pkripperf1</i> <b>you gotta accept it for what it is. This car is 2 liters, 2 seats, small roadster doin 0-60 in recorded 5.2 secs. Sharp steering at high G's. Thats pretty damn good at 30 grand. By the way America has been at war with Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and won. And all these countries are now allies that make great machines. Especially great cars but americans make better war machines. Our cars are steak and potatoes compared to other countries design philosophies. We like old fashioned big gas guzzling power and like to buy gas from terrorist states so we can beat these countries up after supplying them with money for weapons. Who knows maybe Afghanistan will make good cars someday too.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> or pay 25 grand for a 1le z28. Anyway, My experience with s2000 drivers has lead me to many a s2000 stompings. I've also chased one around the corners and stayed glued to it's ass the whole time, then blew past on the first straight available. hey, but no fare I have a turbo. lol<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hondalover</i> <b>someone said there that hp per liter is no big deal??? waaaahahahahahahahaa #$%#in ignorant!!! then why do formula 1 cars have 3.5 liter engines with 850 non turbo horsepower?? "horsepower is not important" how can you say that you retard??? </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Nobody said horsepower is not important. I said horsepower PER LITER is not important.<!-- Signature -->
True or False Is the NSX Hondas flagship car? Point proven. Chevy is always putting more money into the corvette, look at the vet 12 years ago, look at it today. Even the Viper has increased its HP in the last 12 years, what is preventing Honda? Horse power has been slightly increase with the Mustangs every year why can't honda do this with the BEST vehical they have. BTW it was a joke on logic and how scewed things are. The problem is that I know my argument was not logical, Honda Lover did not. Some craftsman lawn mowers gets high HP/L also (around 150 I believe), so if Sears made cars would they be able to dethrown Honda for HP/L???
You all can suck my dick, i like to #$%#in cuss, i dont care if its a so called "lack of vocabulary" American cars always have and still will kick the shit out of your little ricce cake cars. they #$%#in suck, plain and simple. the war comment was supposed to be a joke you ignorant piece of dog shit japs did kamikazee missions, yeah i said that, #$%# off, how dumb was that, they flew planes into buildings and shit that stupidity has carried over into their car making knowledge, which is, they dont have any signed the imbesil that started talking about war stuttgart, your still a #%$got, you can call me an idiot all you want i still #$%#ed your mother
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from F50swiftly</i> <b>hey stud u do look pretty dumb i'd shut up if i were u cause u sound like some southern hick.....it's ok just because ur mom is ur cuz doesnt make u stupid,wait a minute actually it does.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> is you callin me a hick? i aint gon shut up fer no oneo. why u gettin inta my persnal life? its not my fault my moms also my cuz, i aint stupid neither, i gadeated high school, it took me seven yers to do it, but i did i gots the paper sayin i did. You just #$%#ed with the wrong perosn mother #$%#er!!!
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SeansVette</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Honda rulez</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Jadotch</i> <b>Lets use ryce math to disprove HP/L and honda 700 HP engine (S2000)2.0L = 125 hp/l = 250 total hp (Nsx) 3.0L = 100 hp/l = 300 total hp there for you are loosing 25 hp when you go up in displacement by one liter Hondas Mythical 4.0L= 75 hp/l = 300 total hp Hondas Mythical 5.0L= 50 hp/l = 250 total hp So at the rate Hondas going they will actually loose horse power if they ever make that 5.7 Liter engine that Honda Lover talked about, it would only get around 185 hp. At least American cars don't loose as much HP/per liter when they make a bigger engine. Either way its all ryce math a does not mean a damn thing. But it was fun typing out. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->NSX's engine was made like 12 years ago. And S2000 was made in 2 years ago. See the difference? So ur "logic" isn't right.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Are you denying the fact that it's easier to get high horsepower per liter from a smaller engine? Let's start there. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I'm not denying, it's just that the engine of the NSX is from 12 years ago, which means its technology is from 12 years agao, while the technology that is being used in the S2000 is 2 years old.<!-- Signature -->
Yes, but as Jadotch appropriately pointed out the NSX is Honda's flagship performance car. If Honda was capable of producing more power while maintaining the same fuel effeciency and cost from the same sized engine, would they not have done it by now? The point of all this is to show you that horsepower per liter is not the measuring stick for technology. If a small N/A engine has high horsepower that only tells you that it revs to high RPM. Torque is the real challenge with small I4 engines. Show me a N/A 2.0 liter I4 with 120 ft/lbs of torque per liter at an affordable price, then I'll really be impressed.
stop making stupid comparsion this is a fine for its engine size and styling so stop arguing a good car is still a good car
Hp/L Recently I was reading something interesting. It is from a bike mag but pertains to cars too. Hardcore sportsbikes often have unfaired "commuter" cousins. These are usually detuned in Horsepower and have increased torque. I knew that several years ago. But recently I read that detuning the Horsepower is what ALLOWS them to increase the Midrange or Torque. What I understood from this is that it would be unlikely with the same displacement to increase torque and hp at the same time. Perhaps the reason that the S2000 has "low" torque figures. Any thoughts?
ok. this car is a great work of engineerin indeed. for a inline 4 to produce over 250HP is pretty damn good. not to mention it runs the 1/4 mile in 14 flat. all i can say it's true Honda engineerin at its best. i read a post on the first page and it was sayin somethin on the line of this car cant beat a Mustang GT and it's only good for a grocery getter. this car vs. a stang gt would be a really close race. thatz all i can say. as with this car bein a shoppin car, uuuuuuhhhhh no. overall this car is sweet and no american cars dont suck. plz dont let lil pricks make both domestic and import guys fight over dumbass posts like these.
Re: Hp/L Actually, that's not quite right. By increasing torque you're increasing horsepower unless your RPM suffers in the process.
Re: a masterpiece of engineering: American cars. I can tell you a lot of cars that can beat any american car that you have in mind.Bugatti 16/4 Veyron 1001.1 hp from its manufacturer.This car has been made with the co-operation of VW.Topspeed:251 mph.There will never be such a car.Only a dragster can it be the american car with better performance.
Re: a masterpiece of engineering: American cars. Good point... Why do you think that that makes any sense?
oh, there are plenty, say the european accord and japanese accord. They are affordable. haveing a high redline is not easy to do, even if it's easy, it's expensive to make a high revving engine becuz u need better materials to withstand teh heat.
Honda Is for Fucking poor bastards that can't afford real cars. Like Ferrari! Cars I like: Corvette, Viper, Camaro, Firebird. Cars That I KNOW SUCK!!!:Honda....Every last one...... Fucking sucks.....yes even the NSX. Ferrari Rules
Hmm......NSX costs more than a Corvette, Viepr, camaro and firebird....if u say hondas are for poor bastards, than I guess corvette, viper, camaro and firebird are for people who are poorer than the poor bastards (I can't think of another word for people who are poorer than poor people).
Uh... with 120 ft/lbs of torque per liter? I don't think so. Having a high redline is much easier to achieve with a smaller engine. Having more torque is much easier to achieve with a larger engine. This HP/L crap is a popular subject for Japanese import fans. It's the one number that tends to be "bigger" than on American cars. Again, US car makers use more displacement, which makes high HP/L more difficult. If anyone can name a car with 5+ liters that makes 100 HP/L, I would love see it. But one catch, it has to be $35,000 or less. If you're one of those Jap car fans that bashes US cars for low horsepower per liter, let me ask you a question. Just because the S2000 makes 240 horsepower from 2.0 liters, do you really expect GM to make a 684 horsepower Camaro? Do you actually think Honda could create a 5.7 liter, 684 horsepower car that sells for $25,000? That is completely rediculous. The fact is displacement is your friend. And HP/L is not the ruler for technology.
o sorry, i thought he said 120lbs/ft of torque....... But having a high redline is hard to do, u need special materials to make high revving engine. And making large enginie is easy. The hp/L thing is very important in Asian and European countries becuz a car with high c.c has to pay more tax money, so u want a car with low c.c to have hp, one way to do it is to use turbo or high rpm. This is teh main reason why most American cars are not popular in asian and European countries, they have large c.c.
say what u want, by u know better than i do that you're are an idiot. Yeah this car is fast but there is a different between this and american cars. Japan just LOVES technology. What happens to the price tag when u cramp all that hp into a 2.0L.? I think you already know the price. Well, if u wanna talk about performance for the money u pay, well that would put this car against, a WS6, a SS, and a 99 or 01 Cobra. Dont even get me started on the 03 cobras. As for ur lame jap crap excuses, dont bother talking about quality, american cars actually have performance, thats y its harder to maintain it then a 115 hp civic.
In japan, u have to pay more tax money if ur car has higher displacement, this is why Japanese car makers are trying to have high hp/L ratio. Yes, Camaro SS, and Mustang Cobra have great straight line performance, but they don't handle as well as Japanese sports cars and they are not as comfortable as the Japanese sports cars too. The main reason is becuz those american sports cars use cheaper materials and rear suspension is crappy live axle. This is also a reason why american cars are cheaper. Check out this site for further details: http://autozine.kyul.net/html/0_index.htm#Index
Well this isn't japan, so we can worry about our own things. And y do u jap crap lovers use handling as an excuse to getting out of an argument about performance? The fact is, on a normal basis, ur driving on a STREET, not a MOUNTAIN! no ones gonna care about handling when u pull up to a guy at a light and get ur ass handed to u by an SS. as for cheaper materials, i couldn't care less. I got a mustang for performance, not what my E-brake cover is made out of, or what color my gauges are. As for the live axle, i'll admit american cars use that for straight line performance, since people race on the streets from stop lights, not curvy roads. And the 99+ cobras have IRS, and the Z06's handling is amazing for a RWD.
Well this isn't japan, so we can worry about our own things. And y do u jap crap lovers use handling as an excuse to getting out of an argument about performance? The fact is, on a normal basis, ur driving on a STREET, not a MOUNTAIN! no ones gonna care about handling when u pull up to a guy at a light and get ur ass handed to u by an SS. as for cheaper materials, i couldn't care less. I got a mustang for performance, not what my E-brake cover is made out of, or what color my gauges are. As for the live axle, i'll admit american cars use that for straight line performance, since people race on the streets from stop lights, not curvy roads. And the 99+ cobras have IRS, and the Z06's handling is amazing for a RWD.
Hey, this is the internet, the American net, everyone from around teh world chats in here, u gotta understand this point. And the Cobra Rs are too expensive, I would rather to have a Z06.