this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by FireBird175, Jan 24, 2003.

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    NO you george-bush-ignorant-f**k - I live in Sweden and I never get to see any nascar on TV!!

    Yeah sure, More than I think...yeah, everytime I go to England (London) I see McLarens in the street everyday...eehh NO!!

    It might be cause they rare or it might be because the stinking rich fat owners are too scared that something would happen to their expensive precious sensitive little vehicle.

    STOP comparing a million dollar MID-ENGINE F1 based car with a FRONT-ENGINE car for 150 grand.

    HELL, For a million dollars (or whatever the McLaren costs) I could tune and refine any Dodge Viper to a limit were the McLaren F1 would look like a blown Fiat 126 limping it's rusty ass to the store.
     
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    I have a video of one on the quarter mile its very fast dont know how to post it though could someone tell me maybe im very new at this or you can go to dodge-vipers.com. go to the racing videos and its their.
     
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    No, I mean 0-100 mph in Third gear the entire time, from launch to when the needle smacks the 100 mph mark.

    Also the McLaren does 0-100 quicker than the 800tt when on street tires. 6.3 sec. for the McLaren and 6.6 sec for the 800 tt, that means from 60-100 the McLaren picks up .3 seconds every time, and how many times does that happen on a racetrack? Like every straight! That is a lot of time for a car that can't handle to make up in the turns.
     
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    I am not the person who started this thread. I did a search for threads that had McLaren in the title, found this comparison, and have been deffending the McLaren ever since.

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    Just because you don't see people drivine around in one of the what 100 McLaren F1's and variants that were made they never get out? Jay Leno takes his McLaren F1 out when ever it is it's turn in the rotation(He has way too many cars, needs a driveing rotation!). How many times have you seen a 800 tt out racing also? I have never seen one racing at all. The only thing I have seen are factory tests, and other stupid crap like that.

    The McLaren won Le Mans, is that not enough racing for you? By the way there were Vipers in that race I believe, and the McLren beat them, so it has already beaten Vipers also.
     
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    Where does one go about watching the Japanese GT championship? I don't think they play it on Speed.

    Also the Mclaren's 0-100-0 was a pretty sad attempt, really. It managed what, 0-60 in 3.9? I think Mclaren's claimed 0-60 in 2.9 for the LM is slightly exagerated, but even so, they could have probably knocked a half second off that time quite easily.

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    are you talking about the viper that runs a freakin 9.4? ive got that vid. man its sweet.
     
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    ok the viper had a top speed of 235 ok woop de do the mclaren has a top speed of 240 wow that is cool and all but the mclaren will be ass raped by the viper cuz of its subperb handleing and its responsive and quick accleration. i am not talking about 0-60 mph i am talking about 0-100mph that is what counts and look at the mclaren lateral g's 93 tiss that is like a freaking celica the viper is 1.5 lateral g's need i say more i think the specs. say enough
     
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    i ment the lateral g's was .93 sorry for the typo
     
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    1.5g? LOL! Sorry, but I find it funny that you could believe such an asinine claim. Even the competition coupe is far off the 1.5g mark. Come back with a few more believable lies, thanks.

    Skidpad is also not the be-all, end-all of handling. You didn't take into account the six or seven hundred pound advantage the Mclaren has on the Viper.
     
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    They did think that they could knock at least a half second off the 0-100-0 time because the airstrip was wet when they did the test for Car Magazine.

    I did see the Japanese GT championship on Speed actually, it was at like 2 in the morning central time zone, U.S.A.

    Also, the Caterham knocked the 0-100-0 beat the F1 LM's 0-100-0 time? Or are you confusing that time with the Caterham's old time of 12.41 sec? Still not bad for a go-kart with a license plate.

    Lastly, the McLaren 0-60 claim for the LM is 3.7 sec., which is what they got in testing. McLaren does not make any claims that have not been proven with an actual test, especially for the McLaren F1's, Gordon Murray would never allow it.
     
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    1000tt the hennesy viper 800tt will kick the maclarans ass in a staight race it has way better accelaration stats. Plus you forgeting that 5mph aint that much. So with that superior acccelaraion the 800tt will be done way before the F1 gets to that speed evan on a long straight.<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    What the hell is wrong with you!? Viper has won Le Mans too! And if there were Vipers in the races won by a Driver who drove a McLaren then what does that tell you? That a race is won by the DRIVER and not necessarily by the car. If my Grandma drove a McLaren I could beat her in a Honda Civic - poor example but it's just to prove my point. Obviously you're still comparing the McLaren with the Viper which makes you totally ignorant to the fact that they're totally differant cars and CAN'T BE COMPARED!

    And by the way, don't you think you ought to expect top notch performance from a million dollar car?
    And like I said in my previous post - If one were to put a million dollar into tuning and refining a Viper then....well....

    Furthermore The McLaren should be compared to cars like the Benz CLK GTR.






     
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    I'm not confusing anything, the Caterham R500 indeed ran 11.48 0-100-0.

    As for the Mclaren, I was under the impression the 2.9 claimed on this site was Mclaren's claim. 3.7 sounds VERY underestimated, espescially when the regualar F1 hit 3.2.
     
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    The Viper has only had class wins, and not an overall victory at Lemans. There is a very big difference.
     
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    3.7 sec. is what they were able to achieve in testing. McLaren does not make any performance claims that are not backed by testing. The reasoning for this slower time thouhg is the LM has different gearing, so they can not launch as well in it. The LM is much quicker though than the F1 once you hit about 60. If you would like I can post all of the in gear acceleration times for the two cars.
     
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    Well that is the only place realy that the Mclaren and the Viper have gone head to head. And since we all seem to think that the Viper is a much better handling car lets look at the numbers.

    Viper Le Mans Racecar:

    Horsepower: 500 @ 5200 rpm
    Torque: 540 @ 3700 rpm

    McLaren F1 GTR Le Mans Racecar:

    Horsepower: 585 @ 7800 rpm
    Torque: 458 @ 4500 rpm

    So lets see here. According to these numbers the the Viper Le Mans Racecar should out accelerate the McLaren, and of course the McLaren does not handle as well as the Viper, so out handle it also. So how the hell did the McLaren win? Wait, the Viper doesn't out handle the McLaren, thats just what you think, not what the people who have driven the damn things say. Car Magazine say's this about the Viper, and I quote, "Massive roadholding power, but it means nothing when you have a car that has steering input reactions as poor as this car does," also they say this, "Pushes so hard you think your dead, then you hit the gas, and presto massive oversteer," they go on, but you get the point, the Viper can't handle like you all think it can. Numbers do not tell the story like I have said time and time again. Also the Viper does not out accelerate the McLaren, so the numbers lie once again.

    If you think that the race version of the Viper has nothing to do with the 800 tt remember this, while I can not find any acceleration numbers for the Viper racecar I do have the BMW M3 GTR stats right here, 0-60 2.2 sec., 0-100 5.7 sec., and a g skid pad of 1.09, and that is a GT3 class car, the Viper is a GTS class car, thus it should get better numbers than that. Since these numbers are so precious to you, then I guess the BMW M3 GTR is better than the 800 tt, it does get better numbers, right? So if the McLaren, which has worse numbers than the BMW M3 GTR, can beat the BMW M3 GTR, and the McLaren can beat the Viper racecar which has better numbers than the 800 tt and BMW M3 GTR, then numbers realy don't mean anything, right? Do you get it yet, or are you just to stupid.

    See when you try to use numbers on paper to prove your point you are bond to get screwed since they do not tell you anything realy. So 0-60 means nothing a race track, 0-100 means a little more, 1/4 means about the same, and g's tell you nothing.
     
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    Do you think that just because a car has 1700 hp it is the best? If so that is the most FUCKED up thing I have ever heard. Not even going to talk about how it has got to be imposible to drive on the street. How the hell can somebody think a car is better than another car, or even maybe the best just because it can go the fastest, or is the most powerful? That is like saying a drag car would be the best onroad car if it was an onroad car. It wouldn't be, can't handle, and most of all too #$%#ing much power. While the Viper maybe able to handle a little, it will still be too #$%#ing powerful. Sorry, there is no such thing as too powerful for the race track, but there is something called on road saftey. There is nobody that could drive that car around town at a safe speed, and under control.
     
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    Dude, you're confusing me with "Viper 1426" !!!!

    I'm the one who are against this comparison in the first place!!

    Read my posts again!!
     
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    Yeah, I know that!! And that is also my point: A-front-engine-150-grand-car cannot be compared to a million-dollar-mid-engine-car. period.
     
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    "Horsepower: 500 @ 5200 rpm
    Torque: 540 @ 3700 rpm

    McLaren F1 GTR Le Mans Racecar:

    Horsepower: 585 @ 7800 rpm
    Torque: 458 @ 4500 rpm

    So lets see here. According to these numbers the the Viper Le Mans Racecar should out accelerate the McLaren"

    So according to HP, and Torque stats. (Not like 0-60, 0-100, or 1/4 stats.) a car should be able to accelerate faster?

    There are cars that have more power than others, but cars with less Hp and Torque are able to out accelerate them.


    "the BMW M3 GTR stats right here, 0-60 2.2 sec., 0-100 5.7 sec., and a g skid pad of 1.09, and that is a GT3 class car, the Viper is a GTS class car, thus it should get better numbers than that"

    When you think about it, you could say, because the McLaren is a GT1 car, it should be able to get better numbers than that.

    Besides, 2.2 to 60 for a 444hp car?

    2001 BMW M3 GTR:
    0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
    0-100 mph: 7.1 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.3 sec @ 125 mph
    Top Speed: 165 mph
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 94 ft

    In comparison with a Mclaren F1:

    0-60: 3.2 sec.
    0-100: 6.3 sec.
    1/4 mile: 11.1 @ 138

    Also, Racing vipers have only had around 750hp, and now with class restrictions they're around 600-700hp Viper:

    GTSR:
    0-60: 3.2+ sec
    0-100: 6.5-7.0 sec
    Skidpad: (EST.) 1.5g

    Now R&D, this month tested the viper COMP. COUPE, which did 1.15g's, i believe a 94mph slalomn, and 60-0 braking in 90ft. (the car was driven by viper racer Archer)

    Also, for the guy who said vipers do 1.5g's, well, that is an Estimate for Viper GTSR's in GT2 classes for American LeMans.


    So, the Mclaren has close numbers to both cars, but it won races, probably becaue it was a GT1 car, which had superb handling.

    Now In comparison with a 800tt and regular Mclaren F1, well the 800tt would win a drag race, and COULD (if you notice in all my post, i never say the 800tt CAN beat a Mclaren on a track) or might have a chance at beating it, but it would be a close race. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    karhi my numbers might not be the most accurate but i think i will listen to a magizine editor more than some web stie think of it this way the viper 800tt is a race car the mclaren f1 is only race bread car maybe if it was the lm it would be a comparison but it isnt. if you find some specs. that arnt from a web site plez tell me ill reasearch it maybe i am wrong but i will back up my stats untill i am proved wrong
     
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    ok i called my friend i just got my numbers mixed up with the viper gtsr in the gt2 class the gtsr is estemated 1.5 that is also what VIPER 1426 said too sorry bout the mix up karhi
     
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    Quote form Viper1426

    "Horsepower: 500 @ 5200 rpm
    Torque: 540 @ 3700 rpm

    McLaren F1 GTR Le Mans Racecar:

    Horsepower: 585 @ 7800 rpm
    Torque: 458 @ 4500 rpm

    So lets see here. According to these numbers the the Viper Le Mans Racecar should out accelerate the McLaren"

    So according to HP, and Torque stats. (Not like 0-60, 0-100, or 1/4 stats.) a car should be able to accelerate faster?

    There are cars that have more power than others, but cars with less Hp and Torque are able to out accelerate them.


    "the BMW M3 GTR stats right here, 0-60 2.2 sec., 0-100 5.7 sec., and a g skid pad of 1.09, and that is a GT3 class car, the Viper is a GTS class car, thus it should get better numbers than that"

    When you think about it, you could say, because the McLaren is a GT1 car, it should be able to get better numbers than that.

    Besides, 2.2 to 60 for a 444hp car?

    2001 BMW M3 GTR:
    0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
    0-100 mph: 7.1 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.3 sec @ 125 mph
    Top Speed: 165 mph
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 94 ft

    In comparison with a Mclaren F1:

    0-60: 3.2 sec.
    0-100: 6.3 sec.
    1/4 mile: 11.1 @ 138

    Also, Racing vipers have only had around 750hp, and now with class restrictions they're around 600-700hp Viper:

    GTSR:
    0-60: 3.2+ sec
    0-100: 6.5-7.0 sec
    Skidpad: (EST.) 1.5g

    Now R&D, this month tested the viper COMP. COUPE, which did 1.15g's, i believe a 94mph slalomn, and 60-0 braking in 90ft. (the car was driven by viper racer Archer)

    Also, for the guy who said vipers do 1.5g's, well, that is an Estimate for Viper GTSR's in GT2 classes for American LeMans.


    So, the Mclaren has close numbers to both cars, but it won races, probably becaue it was a GT1 car, which had superb handling.

    Now In comparison with a 800tt and regular Mclaren F1, well the 800tt would win a drag race, and COULD (if you notice in all my post, i never say the 800tt CAN beat a Mclaren on a track) or might have a chance at beating it, but it would be a close race."





    You can look at the troque numbers of a car, and that will give you a very good acceleration est. as to which car should be faster. Of course there are other aspects you must look at such as gearing, weight, and so forth. However racecars are 99.9% of the time have gearing that will allow for the best acceleration, and the best top speed, usually a compromise leaning towards acceleration. The weight of the two cars also may be bigger than what class rules allow a difference for, but still the two cars are with in at least a few hundred pounds of one another more than likely, so that will not effect teh acceleration much more than a few tenths of a second. So based on the Viper having more torque it should out accelerate the McLaren, but it does not do this still. Tha McLaren's power band is one of the best out there, and if you were to look at the numbers, it has one of the flattest, if not the flattest powerband out there. Power every where is another part of acceleration, and the McLaren roasts the Viper in that aspect, and many other cars.

    The McLaren should be abale to get better numbers than that, and it does. I was just using as a reference for what the Viper should be able to about do.

    Great numbers for the M3 GTR, completely wrong, but great. You have top speed numbers on a racecar, they change the gearing moron, you have acceleration times that are pathetic, I got my numbers from the stat sheet I made when I was watching the American Le Mans series. If you listen to the anouncers, you will find that they seem to know all the goodies on evey car. They do not talk about the GT3 cars very much though, so I did not get all of the numbers I wanted, but that is alright.

    Where the hell did you get your information for the racing Viper? There is no way that the racing Viper has 600-700 hp, let alone 750 hp. What the hell were you smoking when you came up with those numbers off the top of your head, crack? When the McLaren F1 GTR has to carry a ristrictor plate for GT1 class that lets it get only 585 hp, this from a engine that gets 680 hp without the restrictor plate, and there was still complaining about it being to fast, then there is no way they would allow a GTS car run as many hp as YOU claim the racing Viper is getting.

    There is also no way that Dodge is claimin g 1.5 g's for the Viper, that is obsured. How the hell is a car going to go from 1.15 to 1.5 in one season first off, and especially in GTS class. GTS class allows for no suspension mods other than uprated parts, and you can adjust the settings of those parts. The mounting points will not be changed thouhg, same thing goes for GT1. There are many factors that Dodge would have to ignore for them to get 1.5 g's in the Viper, and still have be able to handle. I can not explain all of these too you, but in order for them to get that level on the skid pad they would have to make the suspension rock hard, like an old Group C racer. In order for a car to have that stiff of suspension there are many factors of where things balance out and what not that this car would not be able to overcome, and for that any other road car.

    Also, the McLaren won races because of many more factors than it's handling. It was very reliable, had in gear acceleration better than any other car, has some of the best brakes when using them at speed. The list goes on and on.

    Viper1426, you are a #$%#ing rip and a half. You come on here acting like you know what you are talking about, yet the last time you instant messaged me you got all of that information about the classes from me. You did not know anything about what type of racing the Viper was involved with at all, other than that it has gotten beaten by the Lister Storm's. You did not even get the class name for the Viper right after I told you it like 10 times. IT IS A GTS class car. While GTS is the same thing as what GT2 used to be for the most part, there are many differences also. Where the hell do you think they got the name Viper GTS-R? There asses? So until you can get the class name of what your car races in correct, I will not trust any of your information. I do not know why I ever trusted any of it seeing how you repeatidly post the same wrong information even though I have corrected your numbers with numbers that have been tested, and then they were printed in Car Magazine, and many other widely avaiable magazines. If you say Car Magazine, or Evo Magazine are not widely avaiable, then go to a Barnes & Noble, look in the car Magazine department once a week until it shows up. Car is the most read austomotive magazine in the world. It has also been voted the best designed magazine in the U.K. numerous times, and was the best designed magazine of the decade for the U.K. also. It breaks news on American car companies before the American mags do. Heck when ever I do pick up an American mag it is usually three months behind the Car's and Evo's.
     
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    Actually 1.5G and 600-700hp is quite realistic for a GTS class car. The 2001 Corvette C5R is listed in R&T at 610 hp and 1.44g.
     

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