Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i completly agree. a friend of mine has an 01 integra type R. he had a magazine with his car in it vs. a viper. they said the type R out ran it in almost every way. whatever. then a little while after that car and driver did the same tests and everything. the viper killed the car. it wasnt even worthy of racing up against it. the type R magazine was just a freakin lie!!!!!!!
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, car mags. do use different drivers in comparions. But i just remembered a Car and Driver episode where they show how a car comparison is done. And when they were testing the cars performance #'s, they used one driver to test the cars. So, to go back and answer that question, Yes, driver ability is a major factor in a comparison. But, if you took two drivers, who could get the exact times that were posted on this thread, and they were equally as good on a track, then you'd really be comparing the cars abilities, considering the drivers would be the same. IMO, you wouldn't do a comparison thread like this, and say, "the numbers don't matter, it comes down to driver ability" If you actually used that, then you could compare a.......Porsche GT2 to a civic, and say "we really don't know which one would win, b/c it comes down to driver ability" You would not do that, you'd take the performane #'s the cars can do an compare them, and compare the two cars handling and track capabilities. In this comparison, the performance #'s by both cars are close, and thier handling and track capabilities, well, the 800tt can get 75.1 in a slalom, and 1.06 in a skidpad, and those are the highest numbers of any street car in those catagories. Now the Mclaren is known for superior handling on a track. I'd say it could be a close race, and either one has a chance on a track. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the driver is a big factor in the #'s. but like i said. weather conditions do have something to do with the performance of a car. what if you had a 50mph wind at your back? i do think that would make a difference.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good post. Totally agree with you. We talk about extremely fast cars in these forums and how much we'd like to own them but it takes a quite skilled driver to handle a supercar like the McLaren or the Hennessey 800TT in the speeds those cars are capable of.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "the driver is a big factor in the #'s. but like i said. weather conditions do have something to do with the performance of a car. what if you had a 50mph wind at your back? i do think that would make a difference. " Ok, all things being equal, meaning, drivers skills, track conditions, and weather conditions. Now if you did the comparison like that, like most mags. do, then you'd be comparing what matters in the first place, The Cars Capabilities vs. the other cars Capabilities. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i beg to differ. most mags. do not. it takes from when the sun comes up to when the sun goes down to test a car in every capability. but when you are testing a lot of cars in a catigory then they run a specific test all day long. (it may not be all day long but) in the newest Motor Trend mag. they ran the 0-60 times of all the cars the same day. then they ran the next test with all the cars the next day.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to all you people comparing these cars, keep in mind that the only reason the mclaren is so much more expensive is because they only made 64 of them
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the crap are you talking about? oh im sorry. you a new member.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i know that a mclaren f-1 would waste this whimpy viper i have a movie of a factory mclaren going 390 mph its top speed on a test track so i think a viper has no chance in hell
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, earlier BMW posted why it cost so much aswell. And as for which one would win on a track, like i've said: Ok, all things being equal, meaning, drivers skills, track conditions, and weather conditions. Now if you did the comparison like that, like most mags. do, then you'd be comparing what matters in the first place, The Cars Capabilities vs. the other cars Capabilities. And these cars capabilities are very close, so i'd say either has a chance on the track. Now For this comparison. overall, for 850k, the mclaren is better (better ride on the streets) for just performance, for around 110k, the Viper 800tt I believe that would sum up this thread, and if someone wants to make an argument, First read the rest of the thread b4 posting. (b/c i think every aspects of the cars has been discussed) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no i thought we might get into the discussion of interior patters or something.........lol.......<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/cool.gif"></A>
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Around a twisty track like the Nurburgring I'd say the McLaren would win b/c it's so much lighter.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The mclaren being lighter is irrelevant, considering, take the lbs. of the cars divide by HP. You get power to weight mclaren F1, 2840lbs/627hp = 4.5 lbs./HP 800tt: 3500lbs/833hp = 4.2 lbs./HP The 800tt acutally has the better power to weight ratio. But with that, and all the other arguments, i'll just say again, All things being equal in the comparison (driver skill, weather, exc..) that way your only testing the Cars capabilities, that either one would have a chance on the track. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well as much of a viper lover i am i think the viper 800tt would beat this mac 1, i would still take the mac 1 the mac IS the ulitmate drivers car SELL THE MAC 1, and by a stock viper, a 800tt maybe through a seleen 7 in there and still have money to buy a house lol.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Power to weight is all good and great, but there's more to it than that. Faster cornering speeds, less tire and brake wear, and in most cases, shorter braking distances are all attributed to lower weight.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Khari: "Power to weight is all good and great, but there's more to it than that. Faster cornering speeds, less tire and brake wear, and in most cases, shorter braking distances are all attributed to lower weight. " Yes, that's true, but in this case, the venom 800tt is set up for, and prepared for that, with its' setup (eibach springs, wilwood brakes, six-piston calipers) Faster cornerering, well slalom and skidpad, test a Small part of cornering, and the 800tt is faster and pulls more than the mclaren at that: 800tt skidpad: 1.06g slalom: 75.1 mclaren skidpad: .86 slalom: 64.5 And to be clear, like i said: slalom and skidpad, test a SMALL part of cornering, but the 800tt has it beat. As for shorter braking distances, once again, lower weight is good for it, but the 800tt has the mclaren beat. 800tt = 60-0 braking in 110ft Mclaren = 60-0 braking in 127ft And like i've said b4, i say both have a chance on the track. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why waist your typing fingers man? all the viper fans know that the viper beat in on the pad and braking and all the other crap. eather still has has a chance on the track but we will never know untile someone tests them on the track now will we?
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! True, but with those numbers you can speculate which one would win. Now i have the june 2003 issue of MT. In thier 10 car shoot-out, they do a test on the track, a figure eight course layout. And given what the cars performed on the track, and what thier accel, and handling (skidpad #'s) you could say, that tests like skidpad and slalom do mean something. Here's the info. The mosler mt900 photon took 1st, (it used slicks for the entire comparison, hoosiersR3503's) It acceled the fastest and pulled the most g's. acceled to 83.6mph, and did 1.14g Second the viper srt10 acceled to 79.3mph pulled 1.05g Third, lambo murcielago 77.8mph .98g 4th vette z06 75.3mph .99g And so on. Each place you go down for a car, like from 5th to 6th the acceleration gets slower, or the cars didn't pull as many g's. So, considering acceleration and skidpad, actually DO mean something, take this comparison. The viper 800, has better power to weight, better slalom, skidpad, and Braking, things that mean something on a track. Now the accel. for both is close. The point is, given all the info and facts, you can say if both were compared it really would be a close race. "but we will never know until someone tests them on the track" <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me one place on a road course, or even a closed cirquit that a figure eight motion will be seen? All that is is a skid pad test that changes directions.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's acceleration, braking and hard, long turns in both directions. If you believe none of that counts for anything you're sadly mistaken.
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what you're saying is that a skid pad like that doesn't tell you anything about the cars handlig? Ever wondered why cars are tested like that in the first place?
Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 800TT takes it all the way, no contest, plus the 800TT costs a hell of a lot less, which, I don't know about you, but I like a car under $200 000, the accel, the power, the speed, it all adds up to one thing, overperforming the Mclaren F-1.