Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Thunderbird250</i> <b>Being an American I can definitely feel the love of a nice old Chevelle. The pure muscle you feel and hear when you drive one is awesome same w/ most other vintage American muscle cars. But ya still gotta respect the BMW. This car may not have the same heritage but is no less impressive. I would actually take this over any old muscle car unless it was a Shelby Cobra or a GT-500. Now to get to my point. You come into a BMW forum and you put down the car? if ya wanted to bash BMW's and say how crappy they are then start your own thread someplace where you don't sound so ignorant for making comments that just piss off people who want to know more about the car. BMW's are badass and so are muscle cars. If you dont' have anything intelligent to add other than "this car sucks, my 900 hp muscle car would bury it." then maybe you should look into a forum for less mature car enthusiasts. Peace</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> No no no no, I did not put down the BMW!! I'm from sweden so my english is not that good.
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Thunderbird250</i> <b>Being an American I can definitely feel the love of a nice old Chevelle. The pure muscle you feel and hear when you drive one is awesome same w/ most other vintage American muscle cars. But ya still gotta respect the BMW. This car may not have the same heritage but is no less impressive. I would actually take this over any old muscle car unless it was a Shelby Cobra or a GT-500. Now to get to my point. You come into a BMW forum and you put down the car? if ya wanted to bash BMW's and say how crappy they are then start your own thread someplace where you don't sound so ignorant for making comments that just piss off people who want to know more about the car. BMW's are badass and so are muscle cars. If you dont' have anything intelligent to add other than "this car sucks, my 900 hp muscle car would bury it." then maybe you should look into a forum for less mature car enthusiasts. Peace</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Hmmm, where did you see me write: "this car sucks, my 900 hp muscle car would bury it." Cause I don't recall writing that.... If we're going to discuss this, I suggest that we stick to facts and what actually been said, OK? Peace.
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... Here's what you can do to a 1966 Corvette with the same money as it takes to buy a new BMW M3 E46. It's got a 502cui V8 with pro charger and some +850 hp (running on 95 octane unleaded fuel). The suspension is De Carbon and was taken from a Ž96 vette. This Corvette will smoke about anything (stock or modified) in both cornering, acceleration and top speed.
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... Comparing any cars of today with cars built before 1995 is comparing apples and oranges. The handling and technology that goes into today's automobiles is so different than vechiles built even 10 years ago. I'm a fan of muscle cars. Nothing beats the groundshaking rumble of a big block. I own an 82' Corvette that I've put a fuel injected 383 stroker in and it puts out well over 400 hp. I know that no matter how much money I pour into my car that it still won't be able to beat a C5 (the new Corvettes) on the track. Maybe on the strip...MAYBE. My cars a hell of alot heavier than the C5 also. To get an old Chevelle or Camaro (even heavier cars) to have the comfort and handling of this car would cost more than 50 grand. Though I personally would rather drive an old Chevelle than a new BMW because the old muscle cars have such a badass attitude.
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Ckris</i> <b>Im glad im Canadian on the smart side of North America.... how the hell can you compare an old shit box american built anything, the amazing refinement of this beautiful machine? so basically what your saying is that u would waste a good 30 000 dollars, which you proably dont' have anyways cuz your talking really stupid, and stupid ppl usually don't have money. and get a uglier looking car </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Your an embarrassment to the rest of us. If your going to call yourself a Canadian, keep the above noted crap to yourself. You do know that a lot of American cars are made in Canada right. What kind of person says, "supid ppl usually don't have money."? There are all too many idiots out there that do have money. And some of them brag about their three fancy cars. Heritage is beauty. I love the Chevelle. And what's that about maintenance costs? How much is an oil change at the local BMW dealership? Yeah, I thought so. That's a nice M3, but it is overpriced.<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Blankmaster</i> <b>No matter how well you fine tune that Chevelle w/ $50,000, the only thing it will beat the M3 are only 3 things: Horsepower Drag Strip Insurance cost Gas-gulping engine Maintainance cost (INCLUDES gas, oil, additives [to "raise" the octane], etc.) A modified car of any kind can't get its full power unless they use at least 95 octane gas. (most use 98-100+ octane) Its normally pretty obvious to most people that you can't "fine tune" a car with 50 grand unless you have a truckload of info on in and know EXACTLY which parts go along for maximum performance and balance, especially weight distribution and handling. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> You can "fine tune" a car for under 20 no problem, with some custom stuff. This includes new parts and even some of the labor. Just get a stand alone programable engine management system for about 3K-5K, spend the rest on parts, do most all the labor yourself, and your way below 20K much less 50K. Not that the stand alone management system is really neccesary.<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... everybody can be agree on 1 point : IT'S A NICE AND POWERFUL CAR.......an european car... this car is a dream for each of us,don't fight for that excuse my english,I'm french...
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from steinamyte</i> <b>man, another typical American...or an American wanna be. Gas mileage on the chevelle, not to mention safety, build quility, looks, and the fact that driving one ensures your status as a hick are all huge let downs when compared to any modern car, let alone a BMW.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->um excuse me, but the build quality of muscle cars are tremendious and they don't wear down as often as european cars do. how many old cars (1970-1900) do you see cruising around and still able to beat the top of the line BMW? safety, i will admit, isn't a good factor in muscle cars. but they arn't like the early camaros, when you get hit in the front end, the hood fly thru the windshield and decapitates the driver. plus when you are driving around in a chevelle, YOU LOOK NOTHING LIKE A HICK!!! back then, gas mileage wasn't a problem because it was 5 cents a gallon!!! so go screw your "BMW" and hope your piss gives you a nitrox boost to even be compared to a kick ass chevelle!!!<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Ckris</i> <b>Im glad im Canadian on the smart side of North America.... how the hell can you compare an old shit box american built anything, the amazing refinement of this beautiful machine? ur gonna buy a car and put 50 grand into it? then when u try to sell it to another thinks he knows it all like you, you may get 10-15000 for it!hahhaa but you don't tend to live in the real world, where you could get this M3, and sell it again in the mid 40's... but forget money for a second. how are you trying to compare a drag racer to an m3??? Who gives a sh*t if your running 10's down a drag strip... you better hope that you don't have to stop.... or TURN! hahah cuz you won't! luxury.... nothing to say, cuz even americans know that their cars can't compare to german cars in this category.. even NEW ones... let alone 70's models so basically what your saying is that u would waste a good 30 000 dollars, which you proably dont' have anyways cuz your talking really stupid, and stupid ppl usually don't have money. and get a uglier looking car, that can't turn, can't brake, needs maintenance everyother week, has no safety, has nothing basicallly but straight ilne speed, over one of the cars rated "Car of the year" if you ever had the pleasure of driving an m3 (i have cab, and hardtop 6 speed AND SMG) i don't think you would of posted such a stupid remark... and u said bmw 3 series wasn't safe??? a crash test website called the 3 series the second safest car of 00... next to the 5 series BMW! hahaha now it's the 7 series.. but hey.. what do i know.. im just a Canadian, right?! </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->woah, woah, woah, wait a minute here, lets talk YEARS here!! your comparing a 1970 chevelle to a car that is 32 years younger than the bmw we're talkin about here!! of cource its safer, more comforable, and more gas friendly, but lets take a look here: these are car comparisons in almost the same year(BMW has the advantage) 1970 chevelle ss 1973 BMW E06 2002 tii 400+ hp 140 hp 0-60 6.2 sec 0-60 9.8 sec 0-100 27 sec 0-100 32<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from oldraven</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Angisio_66</i> <b>That last guy had the right idea, listen you can take your american made piece of trash, your mullet, and your wife beater and go do burnouts at the trailer park all night, then you can go have your sister for the rest of the night. Angisio</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Your an ass. If you can't talk about the cars, don't talk. We all like cars, nobody here has a hatred for them. Personal comments about something you don't have the slightest clue about make you asinine. All us North Americans, (Canadian), can ***** about and slander the Europeans, and some of us will, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with a Bimmer vs. a Chevy. Their cars man. Don't be an ass over cars. Every comment i've read of yours in any forum seems to be slandering someone. Some BMW kick ass, and some Chevy's kick ass. I'd just like to kick your ass.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> hey Joe dirt, how are you? So you love all cars hey? Maybe you love them too much, by which I mean you have sex with your sister. I like cars, i just dont like 1960-70 American made pieces of trash. They were built shitty because they were targeted towards stupid buyers ie. you. So when you say some BMWs kick ass and some Chevy's kick ass you were only half right, because all Chevy's blow my dick. Wow straight line acceleration, that will occupy retards (by which i mean you) at least!<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SwedeLBROCK</i> <b>...For 55 grand I'd get a decent $5000 '72 Chevelle SS with the 454 cui...I'd spend the rest 50 grand on engine tuning, racing suspension...and the 30 year old Chevelle will EAT this weak ass BMW any day. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> If you were going to get a 70's chevelle get a 71 SS 454. The 71 SS was the highest output stock chevelle ever at 500 hp at the flywheel. Any Chevy guy will tell you the same, the 71 is the most desired Chevelle there ever was. The type of people that drive M3's are not the same type of people that drive old muscle cars. And you have to realize that not every car is made to go as fast as it can, if that were true there would be a lot of dead people all over the roads! Your comparison is not valid, I could compare my truck to a porsche 993 turbo...my truck will kick it's ass in the mud, so it must be better than the porsche, right? C'mon people don't you have anything better to do than make these dumb threads?
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... SwedeLBROCK you're an idiot. I like muscle cars as well as european, but you can't compare these two cars because they are in totally different classes out to suit totally different desires. I mean hey, if you wanna argue about what goes fastest for least money, check any any Japanese 750+ cc sportbike. 0-60 in under 2.8 seconds, 1/4 mile in low 10's, and its only $8-9k brand new. And if you dump $55k into it, you can build a drag bike capable of kicking any muscle car's ass any day. You get the picture? You can't compare these two totally different vehicles, case closed.
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Angisio_66</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from oldraven</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Angisio_66</i> <b>That last guy had the right idea, listen you can take your american made piece of trash, your mullet, and your wife beater and go do burnouts at the trailer park all night, then you can go have your sister for the rest of the night. Angisio</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Your an ass. If you can't talk about the cars, don't talk. We all like cars, nobody here has a hatred for them. Personal comments about something you don't have the slightest clue about make you asinine. All us North Americans, (Canadian), can ***** about and slander the Europeans, and some of us will, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with a Bimmer vs. a Chevy. Their cars man. Don't be an ass over cars. Every comment i've read of yours in any forum seems to be slandering someone. Some BMW kick ass, and some Chevy's kick ass. I'd just like to kick your ass.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> hey Joe dirt, how are you? So you love all cars hey? Maybe you love them too much, by which I mean you have sex with your sister. I like cars, i just dont like 1960-70 American made pieces of trash. They were built shitty because they were targeted towards stupid buyers ie. you. So when you say some BMWs kick ass and some Chevy's kick ass you were only half right, because all Chevy's blow my dick. Wow straight line acceleration, that will occupy retards (by which i mean you) at least!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> You have to be the biggest #$%#ing retard on the site. you saying that no Chevy's kick ass. How about Z06? Name a BMW in its price range that can compete! Only the biggest #$%#ing moron would make a post like that. Cocky mother #$%#ers that THINK they know what the #$%# they are talking about need to be shot. You buddy are a straight up IDIOT! By the way, what the #$%# was BMW making during the 60's-70's? Certainly not anything special, or that was in competition with North American cars. You also seem to forget who invented the #$%#ing car in the first place! I love both marques, and it is #$%#ing stupid to say one is better than the other. They are just aimed at diff. crowds(mostly). Me, i'm Canadian and i don't seem to hear about anyone sleeping with their sisters, but what i do hear about is disturbing #$%#ing fetishes over on the Euro side of the world. Some Euro's are #$%#ing whack, i mean how the #$%# is pissing and eating shit related to sex? Us North Americans also go better looking women than the Euro's got, so #$%# that!<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... hey swedelbrock, u dont know shit about an m3. an m3 coupe is actually a bargain beleive it or not, and the people out there who know the new m3 know this already. for the car that it is and what u get for that price is actually a steal considering the technology and just about perfect engeneering that is in this car. the proof is all around u. as for the convertible, its still reasonably priced. for example look one of its main competitors, the clk55 costs over 25,000$(us) more than this m3. and its not because its a better car, its cuz the m3 has a very generous price tag. they couldve easily sold this car for 10,000 or 20,000$ more and still sell just as many cars. y? cuz its a car full of perfection.<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... Alright, I'll concede the Z06. However, you know what BMW was making in the 60s-70s? Oh, who cares? Maybe i was saying that American cars are shit, which they are. I never claimed that BMW was making better cars then you idiot. Yes, they are aimed at different crowds, one crowd loves to be occupied by straigh line acceleration, nascar, and sleeping with their sister, and the other enjoys good performance and luxury. Maybe the american cars were good for their time, but right now they are being compared to 2001 BMWs, which are far superior. Frankly i'm a bit ashamed that you are Canadian, because you are a huge embarresment to the whole country. Why would you assume i'm european? Because i am smarter than you? No, the people that are smarter than you number around 6 Billion, so that is a stupid assumption. Also, you must be really ghetto considering you said 'whack.' Man, me and my 'homeboys' better stay off your 'turf' down in Newfoundland.<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... yes yes its very easy to take any cheap used car with lots of potential and spend the price difference on a list of hypothetical modifications. the result is you get a go-fast car in numbers but not a very good car. thanks to cheap used jap imports where i live $55k would get you a (older R32 or R33) fully decked out ~800hp skyline GT-R you could throw on any race track, road, or 1/4 mile and it would kick ass. so what DO you get for 55k? well firstly theres two words: insurance and warranty. nuff said on that. for $55 you get refinement - interior comfort, quietness, ride quality, build quality, lack noise vibration harshness (good old NVH) etc. a $5k car would have none of that, especially an american one. its very hard to have a 300hp+ car with a warranty that wouldn't need any extra work done on it other than its regular scheduled servicing. its also very hard to find a (reliable) non-race car engine with a 91mm stroke that will do 8000rpm! this is almost as good as a S2000 which has a relatively squarish 87.5 x 84mm and does 9000rpm. so for $55k you get what you pay for, a bloody good car and its a bimmer - think of it as looks and prestige are a bonus not included in the cost. and how come no ones mentioned anything jap? ....of course a skyline GT-R for exactly the same price is a technically superior and faster car........ (sorry but i just had to)
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... If you guyz think this car is overprised, then that's mean u don't have money to buy it, if u don't have the money how da fuk could u put 55000 in ur damn old car?
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Angisio_66</i> <b>Alright, I'll concede the Z06. However, you know what BMW was making in the 60s-70s? Oh, who cares? Maybe i was saying that American cars are shit, which they are. I never claimed that BMW was making better cars then you idiot. Yes, they are aimed at different crowds, one crowd loves to be occupied by straigh line acceleration, nascar, and sleeping with their sister, and the other enjoys good performance and luxury. Maybe the american cars were good for their time, but right now they are being compared to 2001 BMWs, which are far superior. Frankly i'm a bit ashamed that you are Canadian, because you are a huge embarresment to the whole country. Why would you assume i'm european? Because i am smarter than you? No, the people that are smarter than you number around 6 Billion, so that is a stupid assumption. Also, you must be really ghetto considering you said 'whack.' Man, me and my 'homeboys' better stay off your 'turf' down in Newfoundland.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I never said that you said that BMW was making better cars in the 60's-70's. I just added that in to show that American cars aren't as bad as people say they were."Maybe the american cars were good for their time, but right now they are being compared to 2001 BMWs, which are far superior." I agree with this, but the fact is that the BMW has to be superior for the superior price you pay for it. American cars are getting better but besides the Z06 there really isn't any other car in the league of high end Bimmers, not because American cars a generally worse, but because the big three just haven't all caught on yet about what will compete. By the way, tell me where the #$%# you saw me referring to you as a Euro in my post! No where in that post did i refer to you as European or as any other nationality, looks like YOU in fact ARE dumber, not smarter than me. I must be ghetto cause i say Whack? What the #$%# kind of idiot are you? Where are you from? I actually hate the whole ghetto image, and i laugh at "gangsters" who can pull out a piece but can't #$%#ing read. Ghetto? I'm nowhere near that shit. How the #$%# do figure Whack as ghetto slang. <!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from originalED</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Angisio_66</i> <b>Alright, I'll concede the Z06. However, you know what BMW was making in the 60s-70s? Oh, who cares? Maybe i was saying that American cars are shit, which they are. I never claimed that BMW was making better cars then you idiot. Yes, they are aimed at different crowds, one crowd loves to be occupied by straigh line acceleration, nascar, and sleeping with their sister, and the other enjoys good performance and luxury. Maybe the american cars were good for their time, but right now they are being compared to 2001 BMWs, which are far superior. Frankly i'm a bit ashamed that you are Canadian, because you are a huge embarresment to the whole country. Why would you assume i'm european? Because i am smarter than you? No, the people that are smarter than you number around 6 Billion, so that is a stupid assumption. Also, you must be really ghetto considering you said 'whack.' Man, me and my 'homeboys' better stay off your 'turf' down in Newfoundland.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I never said that you said that BMW was making better cars in the 60's-70's. I just added that in to show that American cars aren't as bad as people say they were."Maybe the american cars were good for their time, but right now they are being compared to 2001 BMWs, which are far superior." I agree with this, but the fact is that the BMW has to be superior for the superior price you pay for it. American cars are getting better but besides the Z06 there really isn't any other car in the league of high end Bimmers, not because American cars a generally worse, but because the big three just haven't all caught on yet about what will compete. By the way, tell me where the #$%# you saw me referring to you as a Euro in my post! No where in that post did i refer to you as European or as any other nationality, looks like YOU in fact ARE dumber, not smarter than me. I must be ghetto cause i say Whack? What the #$%# kind of idiot are you? Where are you from? I actually hate the whole ghetto image, and i laugh at "gangsters" who can pull out a piece but can't #$%#ing read. Ghetto? I'm nowhere near that shit. How the #$%# do figure Whack as ghetto slang. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Well frankly, i havent heard any billionaires saying 'whack' lately. Its slang. Slang for idiots. Like you. Who cares if american cars are 'getting better.' They still blow ass, and the big three are idiots. If you think they're so great, why dont you go buy a PT CRUISER meaning a neon with a different shell. The big three knows that stupid buyers only want a car that they think looks good, and the rest be damned. And yes, in terms of pure performance the Z06 is great, but try driving it in the winter? Whats that? You cant? OK, try driving around three passengers in it. Oh thats right, YOU CANT. But surely the Z06 is loaded with luxury features. Oh right, its not. Its got a really really cheap interior. However, the M3 can do all this, and the price difference really isnt that much. The Euro thing surprises me, simply because if it wasnt directed at me, then it was a completely random thing to put in. Oh i see, youre insulting the country that the car was built in. I see how THAT matters! Good one! Ha ha, stupid idiot.<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... man,enough with "american"stereotypes, all of us aren't interested in a straight line performer that wouldn't be at home anywere else but the dragstrip, the M3 cab is an excellent machine,but I'd get the coupe.
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Gringo</i> <b>Just a couple of things: a)jstalin, I don't know WTF is wrong with you, maybe you do know a lot about cars, but you havn't prooved it. All you do is insulting (Trying to insult) other people in the forum and say that everyone that doesn't have the same opinion you have is an idiot. That's bullshit. So plz stop the trash talk and get to the point. b)originalED: "You also seem to forget who invented the #$%#ing car in the first place!" Since you were talking trash about euro, i guess you think that amercians invented the car. No problem, that's a common mistake. You probably think Ford did it. OOPS. Both the internal-combustion engine and the car were invented by Eureopeans. BTW. The word "Auto" is named after the guy who invented the engine - a german guy of course. All americans did was to make cars cheap, hence, available for the public. Important achievement, but not as important as actually inventing the car. P.S The M3 is an amazing car and I rather have it than any american car ever made. But that's just me. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Hello, actually I have made very good arguments, its just that i have also added in insults so the people who thought that a chevelle would be better then an M3 would realize how dumb they are. Even you agreed with me, and said you would rather have it then any american car ever made. This is because YOU understand the concept of comparing an american car from the 60s/70s to a 2002 M3, as being a totally lopsided argument, however, there a great number of people who do not seem to realize that there have been vast improvements in the automotive industry over the past 30-40 years. Because they dont realize this, they are stupid (but you arent). Also, thanks for clearing that up about who built the car, keep up the informative work. lata
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... I agree that the M3 is an amazing automobile, and is probably the greatest sedan on the road today. It is fast, well built, luxurious and has a very high aesthitic appeal. I am also aware that automotive technology has imporved greatly since the 60's. No one would dare compare the M3 to the Chevelle in sheer performance, the M3 would win handidly. Its once again a matter of taste. Though for 55 thousand dollars, I would rather have an earlier model coupe than the convertible. As for my being in a 'gaming clan', what of it? I get plenty 'real world experience' being in the Army, once in a while I like the escape to the videogame world. To each his own.
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SolidHPM</i> <b>First things first. I am 20 years old, so dont come off with any of that crap about reclaiming youth. Second, the Ferrari 250GT0 is an incredible automobile, and its worth 1.7 million dollars for a reason. And I did not trash talk in my post angus. I stated facts. You are acting like children. Go play with your toys and stay out of the forum.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Hey idiot, calling someone an idiot is trash talking, you just don't know that because you're so used to it from your mom and dad calling you that. So listen up idiot, THINK BEFORE YOU POST. Idiot angus<!-- Signature -->
Re: Let me tell you what you get for $55000... <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Benz_AMG</i> <b>A lot of you guys don't really understand the topic. The Chevelle/any old muscle car with $55000 in upgrades is a better car then this M3. This is a quote from Mopar Man "there was a guy who took a 69 dodge dart with a 340 and a few mods to the engine and suspension .. took it racing and were beating porches and vettes .. early 90's ones mind you but still . it got roughly 20mpg on the highway if ya kept your foot out of it. luxury items well the were few and far between but it was cool what they did to it for under 15grand USD." So don't say that the M3 will out handle this car. This Dart will out handle your M3, but it doesn't look that nice. But you still have $40000 to spend on the interier and body etc. So, you go out buy a body kit, get 20" rims, etc. and you have a sweet car. Of course you should buy a body kit that looks good, but still retains performance. Don't believe me, watch Dr. Dre's videos or any rapper for that matter. I don't have any numbers for Mopar Man's Dodge Dart, but knowing that it was beating Posches and Vettes, it probably could if not beat this M3. If I could choose between the M3 and the old american muscle it would be a hard dicision, but since I would have to go through a lot of trouble to make the muscle car better then the M3, I would take the M3. Plus since I've never seen an old american car with $55000 in upgrades, spent on looks and performance, I would choose the M3 for its looks. Before you make your decision just picture this: one of Dr. Dre's cars (styled the way you like) that can outperform the M3 vs. a M3. The choice is yours. Ok lets recap because I know there are far too many idiots on these forms: 1.Mopar Man stated the american car can outperform the M3 2.Ugly? Everyone has their own opinion, but look at a rappers video. Check out their old american cars. They not bad looking. 3.I would take the M3 over the american car because too much hassle.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Hey, you know what Dre had in the video forget about dre? A 360 Modena, so as soon as he could afford a decent european car, he bought one. Second of all, why the hell would you put $40 000 into some P.O.S. 60 chevelle, you would put it into a supra or something, that would beat a M3, its cool, and you wouldn't have to look like a white trash trailor park loser. And the story about a dodge dart beating a porsche is a lie of course, or if it did win, it won in a straight. A dart out handling a M3, dream on. <!-- Signature -->