Re: compare it to any Europen sport-car......

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1' started by vader, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Hey bigrob- notice how this is a 2003 cobra. Do you think a 2003 Z28 could kick this thing's ass? Nope. After this year, there's no more F-bodys.
     
  2. BR>
    Jesus Christ, how can an inaminate object manage to do that, your typical american ignorance amazes me, you know about as much about european cars as a pangaean dinosaur. besides, being an american you probably couldn't even point out europe on a map.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    im american and i can point out europe on a map.And just to tell you about american cars, the corvette zo6 is better in every aspect except 0-30 than the porsche 911.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. I am sick of these idiots! The Mustang is a Pony car/ a Muscle car, it's not a sportscar. It's comparable to sportscar performance but it's still not a sportscar. Remember that when talking about this car. You see it deserves more respect than it gets becuase its compared to cars that are in a different class altogether.

    These guys comparing this to European sport cars or performance luxury cars. 2 classes that this car doesnt run in. Cars like this are cool becuase it doesnt rely on luxury or just strict performance stats. It relys on what the driver feels and how it makes the driver feel like when driving it. Even if you are in a car that is faster or handles better, you the driver may not actually feel as fast or as good as this car will make you feel. For some, actually being faster is more important I guess.

    I personally think Performance stats are often overrated. Forget physics and stick to how it makes you feel.
    Ive never been in this car, but I would assume it feels like a brute. Thats not a bad thing! I'm sure it's supposed to feel like a brute. It's all about the sensation of brute force. Yes other cars not like this may get around a track before this, but do the same cars feel as powerfull? Do they give you the sensation of raw power and force like this would? Ask yourself that because thats the target audience.

    Yo Stangboy that Mustang is very very nice<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. Re: How can it be so slow

    Nice.. but it needs a bigger engine.. this is the mach 1 we are talkin about here... this car i sstill nice though.... mustangs rock
     
  5. The Camaro intimidator ss has 380 so your little new 2003 needs a supercharger to get its 390 horsepower
     
  6. dude, carpone, dont diss nationalities, all it will do is make a f ucking mess of this topic.
     
  7. HEINEKEN;

    1st: 1 r in "moron".

    2nd: Ever hear of Austrailia, or Canada, you know, one's a continent, the other occupies most of North America? Look at a map yourself. You proving my point for me.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. What the hell do you people think you accomplish by bashing Americans? You only make yourself look incredibly ignorant and stupid, and if I wasn't American, I would be ashamed to be associated with any of you who bash us just because some people won't accept your narrow minded opinions. Did any of you actually talk about this car? Other than to say that you THINK your cars are better? What a load of crap.

    Anyway, to get to the car, I really don't think that a Z28 would get beat by this car. This is a weak V8 compared to the ones in Z28s, not to mention, as someone pointed out earlier, the drag coefficient would hamper this car in a straight race.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Jesus Christ, how can an inaminate object manage to do that, your typical american ignorance amazes me, you know about as much about european cars as a pangaean dinosaur. besides, being an american you probably couldn't even point out europe on a map.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->I TOTALLY agree, what an idiot, hasn't got the brains to come up with good reasons for his statement.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    you didnt have the brains to come up with your statement. you stated a completely biased opinion. opinions are allowed, but you can not be justified in saying another car sucks. someone out there, will like it.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. The Bullitt has what about 270-280 hp and its numbers are really close to the z28 performance wise. Nobody knows how fast this car is so nobody can make a final conclusion on if the z28 is faster because I think this is going to blow the z28 away and give the ss another big competitor.
     
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    <b>Hey bigrob- notice how this is a 2003 cobra. Do you think a 2003 Z28 could kick this thing's ass? Nope. After this year, there's no more F-bodys.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Whats your point, every year that both cars have been made except for five or six in the eighties, when all cars sucked anyway, the camaro has always beaten the mustang. The fact that there is no 2003 Camaro is thus inconsiquential. But thanks for pointing that out, you are right mustang woin the sales war, but look back at the stats and the history of the two cars, mustang has always won the sales war and camaro the performance one
     
  12. first off...this is a cobra 01' engine so no doubt its going to have 320hp...why becuz its the same engine...add the high rise manifold ported heads shaker ram air exhaust and garunteed its going to push 340hp+ on the dyno.

    second the mustang cobra of 01' beat the 01 z28...not the ss but it did beat the z28...according to specs or speculation this thing is faster and handles better than the 01' cobra...so in all logic yes it will be faster than a z28.

    hell i think this is going to give the ss a shock...match its times and with the better suspension whip its azz around the track.

    but oh well...compare it to any euro car??? huh well considereing the fact that this costs 25k...name one euro car with even specs to match the gt version for 25k...didnt think so becuz there is none.

    Next?

    oh yea i love this mustang cant wait till my local dealer gets the two it order...need to see it up close...hehe and maybe drive it ;) its great to have people that work at ford...hehe. lets just say the roush 3 rips 0-60 in the claimed 4.4secs....hehe <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Putting it plain and simple--- American cars suck. All they have are huge engines, are noisy, look sick, have absolutely no comforts and then try to compare themselves to Euro cars. Euro cars have style, grace, speed, exclusivity and every gadget you can think of.
    And excuse me but aren't Ferrari,Porsche and Lamborghini from Europe? Those are the ultimate sportscars, not your foolish "muscle cars" or whatever you call them.
    And anyway don't tell me that you would rather buy a Ford over an Audi/BMW/Merc/Porsche/Ferrari.

    No, I am not from Europe<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. First things first- This forum is about automobiles, not nationalities. Americans are not ignorant or stupid. Agreed, we do have a superiority complex, but thats what happens when you win Two World Wars and make Iraq and Afghanistan your bitches. I respect the English for both their tenacity and their guts, and the Germans for their techincal and military prowess. As to whether we can find Europe on a map- you damn right we can, enough of our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers died over there to keep it free. On the topic of the Mustang-with only a 281cu/in displacement, this is another disappointing gimmick from Ford. Thank God for Steve Saleen and the Ford SVT team.....keeps my faith in the company.
     
  15. True, Heineken, we are mostly of European heritage and birth. And no, Cananda is not just another part of America, I am sure there are many Canadians who would take offense to that comment, especially French-Canadians. Also, its kind of funny- a nation made out of "weak, tired, and poor", and in your opinion, criminal, is arguably the world's greatest super-power. I have no problerm with any other nation...well, any European nation. So why all this hatred for the United States? Yes, America is not perfect, but being in the US Army, there is no country I would rather live in or die for.
     
  16. Quote from Madhav
    "Putting it plain and simple--- American cars suck. All they have are huge engines, are noisy, look sick, have absolutely no comforts and then try to compare themselves to Euro cars. Euro cars have style, grace, speed, exclusivity and every gadget you can think of.
    And excuse me but aren't Ferrari,Porsche and Lamborghini from Europe? Those are the ultimate sportscars, not your foolish "muscle cars" or whatever you call them.
    And anyway don't tell me that you would rather buy a Ford over an Audi/BMW/Merc/Porsche/Ferrari.

    No, I am not from Europe"


    OK, Madhav...you're nothing less than a complete retard. Well maybe not complete...some parts are probably missing. HELL YEA our engines are big and HELL YEA they're noisy. That's the way we like'em here in America. You can't tell me the MINI/ISETTA/etc. has grace and speed. I'm a Camaro man but HELL YEA I'll buy a Ford before a European car. Why? Find me any Audi/BMW/Merc/Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo that can perform better than a Mustang for less than 30,000. They're aren't any. Don't get me wrong, I like European cars and I respect Japanese cars (my favorite car is Jaguar XJ220 and lets face it, some of those rice-friers mooove). But come on, I'd rather have an engine that sounds like it's about to rape your mom, not one that whines...like when you're mom is raped. <!-- Signature -->
     
  17. Oh, I would love to buy a Ferrari, Porsche, Audi or BMW- I would just have to sell my soul and my left lung to be able to put an initial payment down. We aren't arguing that the Mustang is a better automobile than the Eurpean supercars. That would be assinine. The Mustang is an affordable automobile for a middle class or working class guy/gal who wants so speed in his or her life. If I could I would gladly spend the 273,000 dollars for a new Lamborghini Murcielago. But that car is meant for a very, VERY exclusive income bracket. Not to mention I dont think it would be your daily driver. A BMW is another story, being a superb automobile for both the track and the road, even for the family. However, still a bit pricy, not to mention if something breaks (though in BMW's things rarely do), import parts are expensive and take time to come in. I am not a big fan of Porsche- but Ferrari- there is nothing else in this world I would like to own more the a 250GTO- it is my opinion the greatest, and perhaps sexiest European automobile every made. Again, out of my price range. In closing, my final point is do not mix apples and oranges- a Mustang should not be compared to European sports cars which are double (or triple, or quadruple, ect ect) the price.Just my opinion
     
  18. And for those of you who do not beleive America can build a supercar- I remind you of the Shelby Cobra, the original Ford GT40 (the Ferrari killer), and the Saleen S7 (road version). The Dodge Viper and Corvette Z06 are not supercars because since they are 'merely' around 80,000 and 50,000 dollars respectfully, they are not expensive enough to be true supercars. Now a Dodge Viper GTS-R and Corvette C5R, those are race cars, not supercars. Awesome automobiles though.
     
  19. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from HEINEKEN</i>
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    <b>HEINEKEN;

    1st: 1 r in "moron".

    2nd: Ever hear of Austrailia, or Canada, you know, one's a continent, the other occupies most of North America? Look at a map yourself. You proving my point for me.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Do a little research and find out the percentage of people from Australia are here. And Canada is just another part of America to me. And don't forget all of ya Americans are actually Europeans yourself, only the most of them were criminal.....

    and sparetire English isn't my native language, in fact i'm still studying it, wonder hoemuch words you speak in german, French or Dutch...??/</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Why do you persist in spouting misinformation and stereotypes? In case you have not noticed, virtually everyone who has seen fit to comment disagrees with you. Know why? Your wrong. No big deal, but you are wrong. Canada is a part of the US?? Canada and the US share a continent and some similarities, but there are many differences. Like the fundamental structures of government, natural resource polocy, and climate. And there are a significant # of Aussies on this site, and they generaly know thier sh*t quite well.

    P.S. Hablas espanol? Da? Nein? Ono mas tiempo, que es su problema?<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. NO OFFENCE but I find this conversation very amusing ! Y are you guys acting like this ?!?! Everybody has their own stuff, y r u even discussing this ?
    Its even funnier when you realise that most of you guys are decent adults and that I (16 year old kid) realise that u r b*llshitting eachtother !

    Keep on flaming everyone !

    greetz
    Bananz
     
  21. hahah you're all funny with you stupid arguing.
    The SVT Cobra is a sweet car, and it's cheap. What it's around $30K, maybe less? For the performance that is offers, it a great deal. 390hp for the '03 Cobra, I dunno how well it handles though. With a 57% / 43% weight distribution I would assume it's not all that great.
    Anyway, I'm a fan of German and Japanese cars alike. I'm rather impartial to American mades, but the Mustang is an ok car. I'd take one anyday.
     
  22. Well, the Caterhams are better than the Z06, performance wise, for the same $$$ or less than this Mustang. Of course, you give up all the comforts as a trade-off. And import taxes are a real ***** too. A new Porsche 911 is $53,000 in adjusted USD minus taxes in Germany, to give you an idea...

    Al_Carpone, I wish somebody would have told me that after getting several degrees from Cornell (Biology/Chem/Organic Chem/Physics) I'd still be a dumb-ass just because of my geographical location. I must have missed that chapter in my Neurology course that identified the US as a brain-sink. You egotisital Euro-centric dumb-ass. It's people like you that make it so hard for us Euro-loving Americans. Of course, I am smart enough to realize that there are different kinds of cars and car-buyers in the world.

    And how do you know I am not Asian, African, Arabic, or Native American? You reveal so many of your biases in your mindless comments. I am of Swedish descent, but I am damn proud to be an American. Just like I was when the Dodge Viper won Le Mans overall, proving that we have all the know-how neccesary to make a world-beating automobile.

    Go Porsche. Go Ford. Go Cars. I don't care as long as they get you excited...<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. Heineken,
    Whats your problem? No need to sling the mud around. All I am showing you is that you can't jsut assume all Americans are idiots. Is that so hard to beleive? Ironicly, you are trying to show how you are enlightened by pointing out that you speak more languages than me, and bravo, you do, but how can you be enlightened if you call Canadians Americans and spout stereotypes? If you think the Cnaadians like Americans more than Europeans (as if they all got together and decided this) why not say so. Why say "Canada is just another part of America to me"? It makes no sense, so lay off.

    I showed you I am not some redneck, but you just keep coming, why? Even if you do refuse to see what I am saying, why try to force your sh*t on everyone else?

    I'm done trying to explain anyway, I could not convince you the sky is blue at this point. Peace.<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from HEINEKEN</i>
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    <b>HEINEKEN;

    1st: 1 r in "moron".

    2nd: Ever hear of Austrailia, or Canada, you know, one's a continent, the other occupies most of North America? Look at a map yourself. You proving my point for me.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Do a little research and find out the percentage of people from Australia are here. And Canada is just another part of America to me. And don't forget all of ya Americans are actually Europeans yourself, only the most of them were criminal.....

    and sparetire English isn't my native language, in fact i'm still studying it, wonder hoemuch words you speak in german, French or Dutch...??/</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    first.
    by posting things like that you just show how ignorant you are by dispissing somebody else just because of his/her nationality.

    2nd.
    compare the Mustang to any Euro car, and it will be a pointless comparison, the mustang is a pony car, an all american product, it has no Asian or European counterparts; so its dumb to compare a car that was conceived for the american youth (baby boomers) that has lived up to its legend... to any Euro car.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Falcon1</i>
    <b>The Camaro intimidator ss has 380 so your little new 2003 needs a supercharger to get its 390 horsepower</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The Cobra R has 385HP WITHOUT a supercharger. How much does the intimidator cost, how much does the Cobra SVT cost? $29,000. So lets do some intelligent logic here, Ford puts a supercharger in the Cobra to increase the HP but at the same time, WITHOUT increasing cost. If its confusing to you, I'll break it down to you. Its cheaper to increase HP with a supercharger than to increase displacement on an engine. Take the Cobra R Mustang for instance; 5.4 Liter 385 HP naturally Aspired engine, WITHOUT A SUPERCHARGER. But whats the cost on that mustang? More than you can afford. Just so that you know, and everyone will agree with me here....AGAIN and AGAIN, ignorant people like you come and compare concepts or modified cars to stock factory cars. And in this case, your comparison lost to a production Cobra R mustang, which is a STOCK Naturally Aspired 5.4 Liter 385HP engine.
     

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